Nope, we shouldn't forget who to blame...and it wasn't "Incompetence"- it was deliberate

Yes! That’s why some people can’t stand any limits on human actions - they don’t want to change. But change is coming - I just want to be part of the decentralized, local led version of change, accepting limits as JM Greer or GK Chesterton might say, not either Big Oil’s version of the future or BlackRock/Vanguard’s vision.

One example - where I live is in a semi-rural area. Not content to leave well enough alone, the property developers are building up every square inch. Two local retired professors, in order to maximize their investment dollars & ensure their image as “environmentally concerned” have built a new development of “energy conscious” houses that sell for $500K & up.

Does that help the Earth? No. It helps their bottom line & self-image. They get applauded a lot locally though.

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@catsmeow23 this sounds exactly like my neck of the woods. I’m old enough to know better but young enough where I have to ride out this insane BS.

I just listened to a podcast w Dougald Hine, who talked about Felix Marquardt, who used to be a cokehead & Davos junkie - until he got it, they’re the same. After I listened to a good program of CAF talking w two guys from Tennessee (program called Tennessee Stands) - all these people are giving good answers & practical solutions to the obsession w climate & techno control. Dougald used to be a big environmentalist, till like Felix, he got it that he was more part of the problem than the solution.
Article by Marquardt - Davos is dead, and the coronavirus killed it | Financial Times

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@catsmeow23 As I said above, I have a lot of respect for RFK Jr. I might be totally off base here since I don’t follow the daily, blow-by-blow politics or anybody’s Twitter thread, but I’ll give you my impression.

It sounds like RFK Jr. is trying to walk a political tightrope and not be any more controversial – especially to the many climate-change-crazed, covid-vax-loving, Tucker Carlson-interviewee-hating Democrats – than he already is, while still appealing to people who realize how unconscionably criminal the governmental and institutional response to covid has been. He seems to be trying to position himself as moderate, level-headed, and nonconfrontational. In short, it looks like he’s trying to play traditional politics, or do politics as usual.

If I were advising him, I’d point out two things.

First, most people sympathetic to his stance on the covid injection and his work for Children’s Health Defense are the kind of people who are absolutely sick and tired of politics as usual. They are much less interested in hearing nonconfrontational, conciliatory language than they are in hearing the truth, no matter how brutal – straight out, no sugarcoating, tact be damned. This is one of the reasons a candidate like Trump was able to get elected.

Second, the U.S. is past the stage of being fixable by politics as usual (if it’s fixable at all). We’re far beyond that point, on many fronts, not least being the covid front, where we’re talking about crimes against humanity and a mass atrocity having been perpetrated. Far from trying to help silence him, I’d encourage him to speak out more, loud and clear, about the mass atrocity we’ve witnessed and are still witnessing.

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I get your points, but that is one thing I learned from following atty Robt Barnes for a year on Locals, and I was also taught it in beginning paralegal studies - what I or you think is justice or a criminal act isn’t what gets tried in a US or less likely, international court. Our legal system includes such dumb concepts as “standing,” which Barnes rails about but he has to work within it to defend Brook Jackson from Pfizer or Amos Miller from the USDA or you get the drift. If you don’t have standing, the judge will not allow case to go forward. As a paralegal I was told, “doesn’t matter if you think a point is unjust - you might be religiously or morally right, but that doesn’t mean it will get to court.”

I have seen through more lies than RFK talks about also, so your first point is taken. The “way of moderation” is likely what he’s doing.

However, whatever I think about the criminal, sociopathic behavior at the top in society may be, I do not believe they will ever really be tried. Not because what they did isn’t evil enough, but because they designed it to evade accountability. I used to work for corporate lawyers & they are slicker than a seal for getting out of things - even on smaller issues than these. Plus plausible deniability plus endlessly deep pockets etc. That may be why they internationalized the criminality - no jurisdiction anywhere.

The best alternatives I have heard is to get out of their systems wherever you can (CAF and others) or where they can be countered through legal system, support that. And/or what the two Tennessee guys on the podcast Freedom Stands (I think) that CAF recently talked to - their group is Tennessee Stands - are doing - fight from ground up. That’s the hardest - they’re young so maybe they’ll achieve. They’re holding the line in Tennessee Legislature. Oh and of course, inform people & spread word wherever you can.

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@catsmeow23 Coincidentally, I also completed a paralegal course, though I never worked in the legal profession. I’m aware of the concept of standing, etc. I’m certainly not expecting most of the moral or actual (as legally defined) criminals to be prosecuted. Of those who may one day be prosecuted, I don’t necessarily expect all or most to be meaningfully sanctioned by a court, if sanctioned at all.

I’d submit that, especially where politics is involved, the most important court is the court of public opinion. If society at large disapproves of, shuns, stops listening to, and stops trusting the people who committed, or were complicit in committing, atrocities that lead to mass death, disability, loss of freedom, and financial disaster, then it doesn’t matter as much whether those responsible are prosecuted.

What I’d say is RFK Jr. needs to call out the responsible parties as having knowingly engineered or been complicit in something that lead to widespread death, disability, hardship, and trauma, and that they deserve blame for those things.

Though I’m skeptical about prosecutions, I will say this: One thing I remember from the lawyers and professors who taught my paralegal courses is that the judge is king in his courtroom. I’ve also learned from observation that, on many issues, judges tend to hand down rulings based not on the letter or spirit of the law, but on the outcome they personally want to see. It’s also true that (besides being swayed by bribery, blackmail, partisanship, and cronyism) judges can be swayed by public opinion. If large portions of society come to see the people behind the recent mass atrocity as morally criminal, then maybe there’s a chance a few judges will be swayed by that popular sentiment.

Yes. Barnes says that to his fans who get mad and yell at him, “but that feels like we’re not doing anything!” He talks abt the cravenness of many judges - oddly I never realized how very political they are (duh), always wanted to believe they followed the facts - many do not - and areas of the country w impossible juries (stay out of NY & DC) - and then says “but we are working to sway the court of public opinion - and even hostile judges respond to that.”

The trick will be reaching those people. I have relatives who lean conservative to apolitical, and NO ONE but my traditional Catholic relative listened about the jabs, no matter what facts I showed them. And she only listened because of the aborted fetuses in the research, not because of the mRNA or LNP. My nephews did stop after the 1st or 2nd but not because of me.

It’s taken me 3 years to find 3 people who even care about the WEF, 15 minute cities, or digital currency. Boomers so far seem most likely to nix digital currency because they don’t trust it. Gen Z seems to blindly trust it & digital ID.

These people are brave and doing a great job, working an uphill trek against generations of - that’s not how we do it here- networks. The problem is that too many in the conservative arm of the Tennessee legislature are infiltrators. Governor Lee (R) is not strong and leans to the left when pressured. The Lt Governor McNeely(R) sent hearts and fires emojis to a male prostitute’s naked picture and said - aren’t you just sunshine and rainbows; yet he survived a legislature vote to remove him as Lt. Gov. in majority Republican legislature.

Really liked CAF’s interview with Tennessee Stands and love her take on things, been a long time supporter. The thing is she lives in Europe and comes to the USA for conferences and things. She needs to live where she feels safe and apparently, it is not in Tennessee.

Yeah, I noticed. Not sure what the whole story is there - I know she has many European friends - Thomas Meyer in Switzerland, Nina Heyn, etc. But why there, other than it’s charming, long history, etc. I don’t know.

It would kind of scare me, as in some ways Europe is farther along the technocracy conveyor belt than we are, and seems to have fewer protections. But perhaps her friends have encouraged her to stay & she feels she can do more good there.

Just for fun, I began following two Belgians on Twitter (in French, which I need translation help to read) who were expressing sarcastic opinions about their country’s Green party, Ecolo. So there’s a bit of rumbling & awakening over there too - not the big movements like Dutch farmers or French protesters, but ordinary people grumbling & figuring out the lies, as we do here. Maybe CAF likes helping stuff like that along?

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You don’t need everybody – just a critical mass. I was surprised to learn of even a few committed Democrats who’ve realized what a horrific tragedy the covid injections and policies have been. I’m not sure the old right/left, Democrat/Republican divide really applies anymore. I think the divide is between those who can see the globalist totalitarianism that’s threatening the world and those who can’t.

My closest friends are Democrats who believe most of the mainstream narrative. I don’t support either party. I let them know how I felt about the lockdowns. I made it clear there was no way I’d take an experimental injection (especially this one, or for this kind of disease), said enough to let them know the dangers I see, and left it at that. We’ve agreed to disagree.

As far as trying to convince others, I think Dr. Farrell has a very wise take on the matter: You don’t have to win every argument. You don’t have to convince people. You just have to “plant the seed” of the truth in people’s minds and leave it to sprout. If it does sprout, it will do so in its own time, which may be years down the road.

Addendum: I should add that a year or so after the initial lockdowns, one of the aforementioned friends said he was grateful that I took such a strong position on individual liberties, as he realized it was important for people to keep a watchful eye on ever overreaching governments. Moral of the story: not all hope is lost.

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