Prigozhin “Declares War” on Russian Military - LIVE Breaking News Coverage / Ukraine fatigue: Opposition to weapons shipments is growing in the US

#41

Some really interesting articles posted here! Thank you!

Acting awards to all of the players. I’ve no doubt The West knew exactly what was going on, as the Forte flights are very accurate and Wheelbarger had it up on his site, as he had the “pre-invasion” Russian troops and equipment build-up on his site that I watched for well over 6 months and posted here several times BTW. (It was free at that time.)

Prigozhin very obviously over-played his role and I tend to believe he was indeed approached by The West, likely connections to Blackrock and JPM (Thanks Dooderonomy). The column was spread out about 20 miles N to S on M4, with far less men than widely reported and the northern portions of the road where the column stopped were dug up, with drop offs to each side where they could not go around. Once Romeo was banished (Prigozhin to Belarus), Russians brought out the heavy equipment and filled in the roads. If Wheelbarger’s site could pick all this up live, on multiple screens, you can be sure The West was picking it up too.

I just wonder if Blackrock and JPM gave Prig a ‘down payment’?

#42

Thank you for posting Jacob Dreizin - when I looked earlier in the day, he hadn’t responded yet. There were also joking posts on Israeli Twitter to the effect that Prigozhin was going to end up with his pal Mirikashvili (I think I spelled it right) and being congratulated by a certain Israeli politician (which I took as referring to what Whitney Webb calls the ties between Russian oligarchs & Israeli intelligence/etc., which go back to Robt Maxwell days at least). Who knows.

Watching Alex Christoforou and Alex Mercouris for a while in 2022 reminded me we Americans so often talk exactly like we know what’s going on across the world, when we do not. I certainly know I don’t. Dreizin is fluent in both Ukrainian and Russian - I think father was/is historian, which also helps in that part of the world.

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#44

I disagree. You can’t do what they have done just for ‘the money’. We all have to live but I suspect that it’s too hard, on the ground, to just do it for the money. It’s likely very personal for some, becoming collegiate, phps. One way or another. However, I suspect that’s not altogether true for some select few of those on the ‘other side’, money-wise, plenty’s been thrown at this slaughter by the bastions of free-market democracy ~

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#45

@QVBB
I missed your post here or I just lost thought in the shuffle.
Get the distinct feeling you might be right about this; Prig sent to keep Lukashenko away from warheads/missiles. If Lukashenko is the hot-head he’s reported to be, Putin would have to do that.
It covers all the bases and misleads almost everyone.
Excellent notion and very practical! Simple!

@Dooderonomy
It seems Blackrock is over their heads in debt and didn’t cover their loans when interest rates were low. Still looking at this further but, if this is the case, no doubt one or more of Wagner were made offers by Blkrk/JPM. See thread I posted about this. Immediately thought about what you said!

#46

I was thinking more along the lines of Putin setting up a parallel nuclear command structure which was somewhat outside of the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church. Putin needed Lukashenko kept under control by Prigozhin because the church did not have control or Putin needed plausible deniability.

Quote from Russian Nuclear Orthdoxy by Dmitry Adamsky “This extraordinary intertwining of church and military is nowhere more visible than in the nuclear weapons community, where the priesthood has penetrated all levels of command and the Church has positioned itself as a guardian of the state’s nuclear potential.”

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#47

The Russia Coup Part 4: Psych!

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#48

Yes and no. My understanding is that it is a good think that Russian nuclear stockpile is under the ROCH control at least in some aspects of it.
Also, my understanding is that Putin is on the side of Russian church. KGB now FSB is also known under less official name civilian razvedka/intel and was formed by Bolsheviks to oppose old Russian intel Tsarskaya Okhrana that was transformed into a GRU other name military razvedka/intel.
These to fractions are for most of the part enemies. The real seat of power and government in RU is GRU. especially in war times. Questions are

  1. Putin is originally KGB, maybe he switched,
  2. Russian Orthodox Church was mostly penetrated by KGB, who knows now maybe GRU is running them by now.
  3. Same thing for Prigozhin, use to a good buddy of Putin now possibly went rough or switched to GRU.
    Who controls Russian nuclear stockpile? since GRU and KGB are almost equal in the power in RU , key words almost.
    IMO GRU still has a lead over KGB in that matter.
    GRU is also in my opinion a seat of globalists in Russia.
    If Putin wants to take Russians out of globalists grip, he has to exert more power over nuclear stockpile. Now some of that is moved to Belarus and Prigozhin is going there.
    Maybe the whole Ukrainian debacle and now Prigozhin putsch are tools in that goal.
    This is of course just my speculation on the whole thing, thinking at loud, since so far nobody really explained to me convincingly, Putin decision to go after Ukraine.

His hubris would be one explanation, but that’s too easy. Nobody who is able to run Russia for 20 years, can operate on hubris and achieve that much.
Even average reign of tsars was 10 years and then they got poisoned, assassinated or resigned.

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#49

No he didn’t.Putin is more like an NKVD guy. In the way of leadership, manners, expressions, way of speaking, etc. In my opinion, he is a follower and trainee of the old NKVD school before and after it was renamed to the KGB.

No it is vice versa.GRU runs nothing.**And that is why the Russian style of communism failed. Like the USSR in fact. The so-called spiritual leaders in the church finished their work, after a long time but successfully.**Oh and Hi Doctor!Any thoughts on this?Speculations?I think your expert opinion and speculation would be greatly appreciated on this matter. :thinking: :man_shrugging:

Yes.That is true.But they still runs not a thing in Russia.In my opinion anyway.

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