Sunnyboy,
Belated Thanks
Was just catching up on some old posts;
when I came across this book you recommended. Just ordered it!
Reminded me of an old non-fiction book: Against the Grain.
Now out of print, and search engine - persona non grata.
Went totally against the accepted globalist history of agriculture.
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Thanks for your little poem, and book recommendation as well - you mean James C. Scott’s book?
I’d love to know what you think of Mason’s book (if you read it), which is based on “conventionally taught” history.
While Mason is sincere in his advocacy for animals, I do have “mixed feelings” about some of his ideas (and I imagine that you will as well). On the one hand, I appreciate his ideas on how animals were historically “de-souled” in order for them to be commodified and exploited (given that this seems to be against natural instincts of many humans). On the other hand, he does have a few ideas that have been shaped by globalists (who have infiltrated animal advocacy and other social justice movements) which irritate me.
Like many other animal advocates, Mason now seems to be promoting the climate change and pandemic narratives to support his ideas – and to me, it’s like mixing apples with monkey wrenches. These ideas simply don’t belong lumped together, although I have wondered whether globalist organizations may have engineered the pushing of these things together, knowing full well the divisions and fighting distractions that will create so that no one will ever really talk about the original issue: what was the de-souling of animals really about historically? What was that about? And is that related to how we humans are currently being farmed and “managed”?
One of Mason’s ideas that does not resonate with me is his idea that the feminist movement (which he thinks is an important supportive movement for animal advocacy) champions “women’s rights” – and that there is something somehow wrong for a woman to attend to family life. What would be so very “unnatural” for a woman to want to keep a clean home and prepare home-cooked meals for her family? The feminists have pushed their anti-maternal ideas so far that some women who listen to their ideas have become less bound to the maternal instinct to nurture and care for their families! Instead of health-promoting foods, they offer junk food to their kids, as well as junk media that does a number on kids’ minds. (Such ideas from feminist movement keep cropping up in animal advocacy discussions, perhaps by design, and I find them distracting.)
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I do like those that goes against the grain.
And this looks like one of those.
Can’t wait to get into it; as I really don’t find too many - that pan out.
I also find authors that are very savvy in some areas; then fall - hook, line, and sinker - for the CO2 hoax; the fossil fuel hoax, and others.
Rarely, do you find a Dr. Joseph P. Farrell, that hits them all out of the park.
One author that really surprised me was Michael Crichton. I read his first book, The Andromeda Strain, and it floored me. He continued to switch gears; always hitting it out of the park. Long story short; he went on the Charlie Rose Show, speaking out against climate change, and other propaganda sacred cows. Took a lot of heat, but stood firm on what the real science is.
I have one of those rare women too; who keep a clean home; prepares home cooked meals for all, and is a devout Christian.
So yes, the book will probably get here the first week in May.
I’ll post here on what I discover.
Thanks again for the tip.
I’m a reader, and against the grain books - are hard to come by.
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Going “against the grain” is something that has been happening since 2009, but, for some reason, we Normies are not supposed to know about it! Our Twin Solar System has been sliding through causing all kinds of weird weather & odd occurrences!! Remember the herd of reindeer that was electrocuted or all the “rain dumps” of months of rain in a few hours?! Its 8 planets have been filling our skies as they pass by, but we thought it WAS our sky!!! 
When we have the upward lightning that is our repelling the other planet so we do not collide!! 
Check out the SAMUEL HOFMAN interview on Radio Wasteland or go to Montana Skywatcher for some photos of said planets!! 
Us, too, we like authors/thinking that go against the grain.
We are so far against the grain, that we can barely have conversations with anyone without touching hot points: In Canada, you can’t talk about “Trump” unless you’re bashing the man. You can’t talk about chemtrails or climate, you can’t talk about injections, you can’t talk about animals, and you can’t talk about any of the woke crap – without “the grain” parrotting “conspiracy theorist” or “dissident” at you. Conversations with “the grain” are shallow and superficial at best, given all the topics you can’t talk about.
Like yourself, we love reading “against the grain” authors to get some other thinking besides what “the grain” likes to parrot about. I have enjoyed reading what people think about the animal question, but do have to wade through some woke stuff as well, as I think that the Universities somehow got their talons into the question, and you see that reflected in many books. It is interesting to analyse, though, in terms of how a movement gets taken down, and most people have no idea what can happen to their minds at universities (unless they’ve been well prepared for that earlier in life).
I’ll be interested in what you think of some of Mason’s ideas, and also if you bump up against some that you find irritating. I don’t think he went far enough, though, in exploring what is behind the animal question – for that, my guess is that he’s got to go much deeper, into other realms.
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My wife has a hard time with my contrary thinking.
Consequently, I’ve had to “lay back” when we get together with family.
When 9/11 happened; I was telling all - “inside job”.
Long story short; over the years I’ve toned it down,
when I’m in her “public” presence.
She tried very hard to understand “real” economy, but couldn’t grasp it.
So I just let it go; so we could enjoy the many other aspects of life together.
I watch her shows, like Wheel of Fortune, Antiques Roadshow", etc.,
and we make “our own games” - like guessing the prices of the antiques.
It’s very hard for me to bite my tongue; as I can easily see the social engineering taking place,
in all these shows[especially, the game shows].
All that to say; that many people can’t wrap their heads around the evil that; unfortunately exist,
to a greater degree - than most people realize.
Although, I found an “uptick” in awareness - over the years. Sadly, I think its because
- there’s been a commensurate[if not greater] uptick in evil.
If you haven’t checked out author: F. William Engdahl - do so.
In sync with against the grain, is his: Myths, Lies, and Oil Wars - July 1 2011.
A great place to start; as all his books go against the grain.
But Myths, takes on a Big One: fossil fuel.
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Thanks for the book tip, and also your comments about Crichton’s book as well. We read a few of Crichton’s books in past years, and at the time thought it was all fiction (before a friend awakened us to the covid business, after which we started reading Dr. Farrell’s books – and now, talk about disillusioned or what).
From what you’ve shared about your good wife, two things come to mind:
- You are very fortunate in that your wife seems to have a solid focus on home, and that is very grounding. (As long as you can stand firm about not getting shots.)
- You are also fortunate that you found the Giza Forum, to share ideas/thoughts that you have difficulty in communicating with your wife, as it sounds like your intellectual journeys are somewhat different. I like how you watch a few shows with her, even though you process the content very differently. We know some people who have a journey with their spouses in which intellectual interests are different (beyong the “Mars”-“Venus” thing), and who have found ways to make it work. It is great that you have done this as well.
At any rate, we on the forum do appreciate your “against the grain” thoughts.
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Finally getting back to “An Unnatural Oder: the Roots of Our Destruction of Nature.”
It’s interesting; in that I’m at the “Prologue” page xxi, and the “Native Americans” are being invaded by immigrants[taking literary license] in a historic Land Grab, The Oklahoma [People/Red] Land Run.
At any rate, fertile lands are on their way towards destruction. Lands where “a single gram of loam from the surface soil hels as many as 2,000,000 protoza and their food: 58 million bacteria…”.
You get the idea; real fertile lands. No chemicals, no nano poisons, etc., etc.
Finally reading it again; and this time, no books in between[fingers-crossed].
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Not enough. More often then not, many are the vanguards of the next propaganda round normies need to adopt and nothing more.
High profile out of the box thinkers that know history are actively blocked, like Joseph Farrell in Europe. His books are hard to find in reality, not in advertising. Amazon is very fast in advertising his books before they are published, however they never distrubute them after ordering! For the last 4 years I can bank on them with an excuse why they can’t deliver and refund money. So, I stopped ordering from them.
That all said, I am curious how you perceive the read!
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The CIA is the greatest publisher in the USSA.
AND that explains a lot of these obvious ploys. Amazon just sent me a message saying they not leave my package in my enclosed patio, but at the front door. A passage way for a number of tenets, from all over the complex.
I’ve had several packages stolen.
So, not only CIA policies.
But monopoly behaviors.
We both could site example, after example.
With CIA and/or monopolies in charge; what can wrong?
EVERYTHING!
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Do you think that might be true in the case of Jim Mason? There were aspects of his book, wokish, that I did not like, that really jarred my nerves, that felt like what you are talking about. (Although, it’s not uncommon for me to find passages – in any book – with which I disagree and have an entirely different viewpoint.) And then again, there were other aspects in his book that were worth pondering or at least exploring.
I’ve been reading books by animal advocates for many years, and listening to podcasts as well (given my sensitivity to, and reverence for, animals and also the natural world) and do feel that what the movement was originally advocating for animals has morphed into something weird in recent decades. I’m wondering if it’s perhaps not necessarily these authors/advocates themselves who are overt vanguards, but the university environments with which they are associated and by which their thinking is influenced, which are themselves getting seeded (by the hidden vanguards) with ideas that will destroy the very essence of the intellectual paradigms for which they think the affected advocates/authors are advocating.
I’ve been listening to a few podcasts in which a few different scholars of justice issues have been coming to realisations that they’ve been taken in by these propaganda vanguards. I, myself, had been taken in by the climate propaganda – and am thankful that we were able to listen to other viewpoints that could help us navigate the propaganda field. It was our exploration of the climate narrative that actually led us to Dr. Farrell’s books!
We don’t buy anything from Amazon. We are now able to special order Dr. Farrell’s books via our local bookstores. Have you had any luck in finding a local bookstore that can bring in Dr. Farrell’s books?
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Interesting way you have of noting a repetition of history…
I’ll wager a bet there will be parts of his ideas that you don’t like! (Just like I bumped into that).
First Nations issues are huge in Canada these days, and we’ve been reading/ordering a few different books to get different takes on the issue, given the politics and propaganda.
Jody Wilson-Raybould’s book Indian in the Cabinet, gives the perspective of a First Nations band ruling class who makes her way into Canadian cabinet. Very interesting to get a glimpse on how she thinks politically, also the political buzzwords and slogans she uses, and the things she thinks are important.
Then, there is Professor Emeritus Nancy J Turner, whose (fascinating!!!) life work was studying and recording the ethnobotany and ancient traditions of First Nations, passed down through oral stories of elders. Her recent book Ancient Pathways, Ancestral Knowledge is a compendium of her life’s work. In many ways, the feelings of Elders about the frenzied destruction of Nature is very close to my own heart, even though the political labelling system would label me a “colonist” for simply being born in Canada, not on a reservation.
Then, we have Professor Frances Widdowson, who lost her job at an Albera university for calling out wokism. She has been suggesting that some of the political claims around mass graves don’t make sense because the people promoting the claims are using images from ground penetrating radar to make these claims, on areas that had other historical uses (e.g., reports of septic tiles or previous buildings, etc.) and that had no follow-up excavations to verify these GPR “anomalies”. We’re following her perspective as well, as she has written a few books and given interviews about massive public funds being channelled into a lucrative legal/consulting industry that is not helping with real problems being faced by people living on reserves (water, housing, food, etc.,), but seems to be generating a lot of discord between First Nations and other people living in Canada – which does not serve the Truth and Reconciliation process very well.
I’ve also read (sociology) Professor David Nibert’s books on the entanglement of systems that oppress both humans and animals. He probed the American history of colonizing First Nations, and I found it difficult to read about the brutality of this history.
Then, I try to put all this stuff together in my mind, together with memories of the conversations with people from different First Nations bands over time – and it just is not straightforward. Everyone’s got a different way of seeing…, depending on how he or she has been affected. And for me, in particular, the way the animals are affected as well is always close to my heart.
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He swallows the CO2 myth; the fossil fuel mtyh; and others.
BUT, it’s his animals and plant subject matters; especially in their hitories,
that I’m most interested in:
Where he actually breaks; with those too many to count, establisment “myths”.