Good one, even I can grok this explanation. Thanks.
But you would get the wrong answer 
Grok is inferior to the human mind in critical thinking. Deductive and Inductive reasoning.
Almost all answers I get from it violate basic rules of logic. It does nothing more than identify patterns and repeat back itās interpretations of patterns.
And if you had to Grok the question, itās likely you hadnāt thought of the question to seek it out which questions the theory of relativety the same as Joseph has been doing.
I wonāt even mention the effect of people relying on AI for answers itās effect on cognitive thinking.
I follow one of the top traders in the world, a market wizard, who puts out small bits of information for people to consider. One after the other they GROK, in public, without shame, can you explain it to me and it comes up with the wrong answers. The market wizard said the answers do not even resemble the thinking that they are putting out.
Technocrats 1ā¦Non technocratsā¦0
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The source youāre quoting sounds quite interesting!
Yes, but our phase-spaces are temporary and illusory in that sense, which makes time a mere sideffect and not ārealā outside of these small spaces, when one is in a larger, āmore realā reality(.)(?).
Richard Bartlett is a special person. Not sure what to call him. He doesnāt like the word healer so heās not that. Heās sort of a mystic. But not in words which are just approximations of his experiences.
Iām into the field of energy psychology. Going into peopleās depths and ridding them of unconscious material. You take people back on the time line and you pull the stuff. After all my training, the last thing I wanted to do was go to another workshop. Somebody insisted I just go for his free introductory talk before his three day webinar. So I did.
I had no idea or concept of what I was going to see. The guy can collapse the wave function and bring people into new time lines. If somebody told me that ten years ago, Iād say okā¦woo woo.
Well some woman gets on stage. And she has āback problemā or some really bad condition. I donāt remember. All of a sudden, she starts falling backwards. Yeah, like those Sunday morning goof balls that say youāre healed. But what I saw was not a woman falling backwards on the stage. I saw an infinite series of now. Time stopped at each point so her fall felt like an eternity.
I snapped out of it. What did I just witness? Did anybody else see it? So I forked up $500 bucks so I could understand what he was doing.
He teaches people how to collapse the wave function. And all weekend, heās bringing people on stage with broken arm problem, stomach problem, I hate my mother problem and talking quantam woo woo.
The only context I had for what I was witnessing and experiencing was a book back in the 60ās written by Brad Steiger. āIn my Soul I am Freeā where the guy in the book fixes are car light by collapsing the wave function. And there was a guy back in the 60ās Bostic, I think his name was who started all these psychic institutes, Berkley Psychic institute who taught this technique called the erasure technique which was where I think that guy Hubbard got his idea for for Dianetics. Well, that whole movement went wrong.
But the initial idea might have been a good one.
So basically, Richard is NOT writing from the mind. The guy can walk the talk and Iāve been able to replicate this process, somewhat, from what he showed at workshops and practice.
Youāre literately jumping timelines and bring in new things, but this aināt theory or philosophy. Youāre experiencing it. The theory is for people to help understand. So basically this is a book on transformation/reality and quantam madness by somebody that can actually make it happen.
Some years back, Joseph wrote a blog from Physics.org. They were attempting to collapse the wave function of the economy so we never went into a recession again.
Anybody recall that one? So this article reminded me off it. Even if they could do it, and I think the universe and time makers wouldnāt be happy if they succeeded and interfered with human stupidity vs allowing it to run itās course, there would be a price to pay.
And that was my one disagreement with Richards theory, that you can help somebody out of misery and not be interfering in their universal agreement. Iād never do this on anybody else unless I was in danger. But I play in the matrix on myself. law of non-interference.
I used grok in place of āunderstandā. I was classified early in school life as having average intelligence so have been educated as such within the educational curriculum. 
Yes - I can see thereās a problem w going too far w such things. But yes, I know someone who does not interfere w othersā timelines, but says we all can alter our own to some extent. And she gives examples from her own life. She was a doctoral student in English lit at (I think) University of Chicago when she received a traumatic brain injury in a car crash. (Her dad was a science professor in PA.) They told her sheād never recover fully.
However, by doing energy healing and going into a number of woo subjects & doing bodywork, she completely recovered some years ago. Was a medical intuitive for a time, one of the āgiftsā her injury gave her.
Now sheās become an astrologer.
See Hubert Dreyfus - (1) What Computers Canāt Do and (2) What Computers Still Canāt Do. 1972 and 1992 respectively. I think both are available gratis on Archive.org
ā¦ It (the computer) doesnāt āknowā anything. It can neither assert nor propose. It can not experience nor remember. It can not INTERPRET It can not reason. It can not, as Antonio Damasio would say, āHave the feeling of what is happeningā. But, and most importantly, it can not go āoutsideā its database.
it would probably be best to stop thinking about computers Anthropomorphically.
ā¦ and no matter how many dyads are strung together to produce whatever length of dyadic chain at whatever speed is achievable ā¦ it will always be the Illusion of Thought.
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Good story!
There are special people among us. They are touched. And just because you have a special ability doesnāt mean you should use it. Especially altering peopleās timelines.
But if government adapted off world technology for their agenda. Then remote viewing and collapsing wave function are certainly part of their experiments. They donāt seem to comprehend the principle of blow back
No, they famously do not. I already would be worried enough about conventional weapons & ideologies - I donāt get into the arcane possibilities because I do not want to āgive those people more power than they already have,ā to fall in with the woo crowd. I keep getting invited by local friends to go to programs w a local younger woman who was taught remote viewing by an ex-Central Intel YouKnow person & is into NLP.
I keep saying no thanks!
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Time, as a universal phase locked flow is absolutely real, if it were not, the sub-continua of phase spaces would not exist. This is where poetry fails.
Real, but not a permanent structure or space, correct?
ā¦ there are 2 types of objects available for observation and scientific study. Existent Reals and Non-Existent Reals. Existent Reals are material objects that have properties such as color, weight, mass and so on ā¦ Non-Existent Reals can have any or all of those properties except 1 ā¦ the property of physical existence / manifestation. All Existents are Real but not All Reals are Existent.
C.S. Peirce asked the question ā¦ What if God is one of these Non-Existent Reals. see his ā¦
āA Neglected Argument for the Reality of Godā (1908) - available gratis many places on the Interwebs.
See also ā¦ Nubiola very good on Peirce
Charles S. Peirce and the Abduction of God by Jaime Nubiola1
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Weāre on the same page!
Itās good to know Milton Erickson technology/NLP only so you can know when itās being used on you by the political class. Just assume it is.
I understood the intrigue and interest in this area because I was like that too. But Iām old now. I went Stoic. I no longer want super human powers other than develop powers of good character and right decision making in my small little world of influence. I also figured thatās the ultimate super power that our world needs more of. Just good people. What an idea. Itās also not a small task. Always needs to be improved.
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Correct, in my view, the flux.
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Interesting. I was reading Peter Duke on Substack for a while - I have never been interested in the LaRouchies, but he posted some very clear & concise pieces by them on the roots of many current conflicts - the Venetian bankers of Dr Farrellās interesting Byte Show (I havenāt read the book, which Iām sure is more exhaustive), the Israel situation, etc. Duke also learned NLP & teaches how to recognize it when itās being used on you! He & his wife unfortunately lost most of their possessions in the Palisades fires.
The only person I know whoās worked for both Spielberg and Peter Thiel because of his computer & photographer skill set.
Then yesterday someone on another site introduced me to the writings of M.D. Usher, I ordered his latest book from the library. I believe heās considered to be a Stoic.
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Being of necessity and contingency.
Indeed, yes, youāve nailed a big problem with how people think about AI!
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1. Time in Biological Learning and Error Correction
In real brains, learning unfolds over time. Unlike artificial networks where error gradients are computed instantaneously and applied after each batch, the brain must work with:
- Delayed feedback: Rewards or consequences donāt always follow immediately (e.g., you touch a hot pan ā learn not to do it again).
- Temporal credit assignment: How does the brain know which past activity led to a present reward or mistake?
Related Concept: Temporal Difference Learning (TD Learning)
- Used in reinforcement learning and resembles dopamine-based signaling in the brain.
- Learns to associate past events with future outcomes using prediction errors over time.
In essence, learning is not just spatial (layer to layer), but temporal (past to future).
2. Predictive Coding & Time
Predictive coding, which we discussed earlier, naturally incorporates time:
- It models the brain as a system thatās always trying to predict the next moment.
- The difference between what was predicted and what actually occurred becomes the error used to refine the model.
This aligns with how humans:
- Expect sequences (e.g., the rhythm of speech or motion).
- Get surprised when an expected pattern is broken (a beat skips, a word is mispronounced).
The brain learns across time, not just within a frozen snapshot.
3. Backpropagation Through Time (BPTT)
In machine learning, recurrent neural networks (RNNs) are trained using Backpropagation Through Time (BPTT), a temporal extension of backpropagation.
What it does:
- Unrolls a neural network over time (e.g., t=0 to t=10).
- Applies standard backpropagation across the entire sequence.
Biological Challenge:
- The brain likely doesnāt āunroll timeā explicitly.
- But it does maintain working memory, attention, and temporal buffers that allow for time-sensitive learning.
4. Dendrites, Spikes, and Time Encoding
Neurons in the brain use spikes (short electrical pulses), and their timing matters:
- The relative timing of spikes between neurons determines plasticity (called Spike-Timing-Dependent Plasticity, or STDP).
- This is explicitly time-sensitiveālearning depends on whether the pre-synaptic spike happens before or after the post-synaptic spike.
Example:
If A fires just before B ā strengthen the connection (A caused B to fire).
If A fires after B ā weaken it.
This is a real-time analog to gradient signals.
5. Mental Time Travel and Internal Simulation
Some neuroscientists suggest the brain performs āinternal simulationsā of the future to test outcomesāeffectively doing something like forward modeling and error correction before acting.
This might resemble:
- Monte Carlo rollouts in reinforcement learning
- Model-based learning
- Planning using internal representations (like imagining playing chess moves ahead)
Summary: How Time Intertwines with Learning Models
| Concept | Role of Time | Related Mechanism |
|---|---|---|
| Backpropagation | None (static snapshots) | Feedforward error correction |
| Predictive Coding | Constant updating based on prediction | Sensory feedback loops |
| Temporal Difference Learning | Assigns value to actions over time | Dopaminergic signaling |
| STDP (Spike-Timing Plasticity) | Learning based on spike timing | Millisecond-scale time coding |
| BPTT (Artificial RNNs) | Explicitly unrolls time for learning | Sequence modeling |
| Mental Simulation | Simulates future to influence present | Planning, imagination |
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ā¦ keep researching ā¦ I promise youāll come to some āinterestingā conclusions especially concerning the nature of time. If you can look specifically at experimental literature regarding back propagation in HUMANS.