Council of Elvira

The greatest historian and specialist on Queen Isabela of Castile and the reign of the Catholic Monarchs, is a fellow by the name of Luis Suárez Fernández. A medieval history professor with undisputed scholarly knowledge. He wrote a five volume study about the Catholic kings, together they make around 1,300 pages. Is the best investigation with an arsenal of documents that are in existence. Professor Suárez dedicated decades of his life investigating the archives of Queen Isabela and King Fernando reign.

Unfortunately these books are in Spanish and I would recommend any book publisher out there in America reading this, to pick these up, translate them to the English. Is my opinion that understanding how Spain came to be, is crucial for the future of America for very long reasons. We need to understand this history and learn from it.

In the future, I will report my findings on the website. Is 1,300 page will take some time. My focus will be in the history of the Spanish Inquisition during the reign of Queen Isabela and King Fernando. Is impossible to comment on the whole history of the inquisition because this lasted from 1478 to 1834. Focusing on the following questions: What is the historical context? What was happening in Spain? Why the institution was created? What was the purpose? Who created the institution? Who were the people behind it? The last question was answered already left me quiet surprised.

In my opinion, the “proto foundation” of the Spanish Inquisition started with The Council of Elvira. This was an early Christian synod held in Elvira, near modern day Granada, Spain. Is considered the first Christian provincial council in the West. The council is well known because is where you find the first legislative reference to the celibacy of priests. Many things were discussed in this council, for example, canon # 49 Forbade the blessing of Christian crops by Jews. You could get excommunicated. This 4th century council, makes it very clear, that proximity with Judaism is harmful to the faith. Although this was a provincial council, I don’t think this departs from the rest of the universal church.

I haven’t finished reading, but wanted to make that first observation because I think is key to the later history.

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… I’m with you Kenny. There is so much great material out there in many languages that is in need of translation. Good (human) translators are few and far between and I fear growing fewer with each passing day. :frowning:

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You can shun me, but as much as I hate AI, it has been instrumental in augmenting my language learning lately and reading some German books that were never translated; current literary, colloquial novels. (The English translator of the first 6 books passed away in 2020 sadly, at the age of 90. His German to English translations were masterful). So the new books have been ‘languishing’ away from the English speaking world.

In order to keep me using the tool and not the tool doing the learning or real work, I am doing it like so:

  1. read the page in German best I can
  2. take a photo of the page with my phone and use Google Translate, which translates the text on the image.
  3. read the english on my phone
  4. pencil in the vocabulary in the book I wasn’t sure of
  5. re read the whole page in german

In doing this I have been saving time from flipping from page to page in my dictionary ( hours) and also learning phrases in context, idioms, not just single words that do not translate properly directly.
I have noticed my comprehension is steadily increasing with this method.
After a month of reading this book, just last night I read about 5 pages in the tub with no help, at at least a 60% comprehension.

Kenny, keep us apprised, your book choices sound interesting.

You can never replace the good nuance a human translator gives, culturally and artistically, but I am shocked and stunned how much Google Translate has improved in the last year since I used it last on some French books. I taught myself French 10 years ago, and I compared the translation it did on this book last year, with the one this year and it’s leaps and bounds. Scary. Its not clunky at all, it reads like a smooth speaker.

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There is a book by Luis Suárez Fernández, which is a summary of the five volume series and is around 500 pages. The author is known around the world, don’t know why his books are not published in English. He was also the biographer of Francisco Franco.

The other book I forgot to mention was written by Tarsicio de Azcona, Isabel la Católica. This book is massive with 1,000 pages. The two authors are the tiptop writers on the topic. I insist we need these in English.

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Getting quiet anxious reading the material, because many of the arguments that were put forward for the creation of the institution of the Spanish Inquisition, are about things I see happening in the Christian churches today in America. Dr. Farrell have made quiet a few comments about it in the vidchats. Will say no more until I’m finished.

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I wish you would say a little more about it, it sounds fascinating, but I respect your discretion. :grinning:

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not bad minus the gender

Synopsis of
Isabel I Queen
A work that brings us the human and political dimension of a queen who accessed the throne and the marriage of state amid great difficulties.

In 1451, in a convent in what we know today as Madrigal “de las Altas Torres” that was then a small village, awarded under the adobe and the tiles, the daughter of Juan II, king of Castilla y León, and Isabel de Portugal, was born. A girl who would receive her mother’s name and was called to become one of the most relevant figures in Spanish history.

In this work, awarded the National History Award, Luis Suárez rigorously describes but with the will to reach the general public, the life of Isabel I of Castile from his childhood to death, going through the decisive moments he had to face, from the early loss of his father when he was barely three years old. Although, Isabel was not destined to reign since she had a stepbrother and a brother ahead in the succession line, various avatars and conspirations finally led him to the throne of Castile.

This book is also the story of how Isabel chooses her young cousin Fernando as a husband in the face of the imposition of other candidates such as the king of Portugal, the brother of Louis XI of France, or the Duke of York, future Ricardo III. The political formula that both husbands arrived - union of kingdoms - continuing the trajectory of the ancient crown of Aragon, meant a very important step in the construction of Europe and allowed the great cultural, economic and defense objectives, to be compatible with plurality as a superior political form.

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This book complements the ones I mentioned, written by Luis Suarez, called La expulsión de los judíos: Un problema europeo. This is why I think these books are not being translated, they are dealing with the expulsion of Jews and Muslims during the reign, How? When? and Why? it happened. I think is nonsense to ban books because of the topic and Jews will be pleasantly surprise on how important they were during Isabel reign. What was banned was Judaism not Jews. It was not racial, the same with the Muslims.

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That sounds very interesting.

I dont think anyone is banning it. its just really hard for publishing companies to justify paying translators these days. And then the rights, plus a new contract with a foreign publisher.

I was in communication with the German publisher for the aforementioned author, and they were kind enough to respond and tell me ‘no current plans to translate this book or his recent books. This author is a very German ‘thing’ and so there is not much interest outside Germany’
i told them that is not true, there is lots of interest.
When the master translator died, I think it was too much work and expense to find someone new.

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and for context, the last book of this German guy translated was in about 2012 and then nothing - so whoever would buy the rights has like 5 books catching up to do so imagine all the cost. and sales are not guaranteed.
And this is imaginative fiction/fantasy so far more popular than niche history.

Maybe you could translate the Isabel summary book?!

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King Enrique IV was the half brother of Isabel the Catholic. He wanted to give her away in marriage to a fellow by the name of Pedro Girón. The man was named Master of the Order of Calatrava. King Enrique IV wanted some favors and in exchange came up with this idea. Turns out, Mr. Girón was a false Christian convert that was Judaizing. This was discovered when he died, everything was a lie, the man was pretending to be a Christian.

In other words, a false convert reached the title of Master of the Order of Calatrava. If he didn’t died of natural causes, the man would have married the heir of the throne of Castile, Isabel, the future Queen of Spain. These are not conspiracy theories these are the historical facts from the primary sources. That’s just to give one little detail on why I think this book has been suppressed.

The Spanish inquisition was created for a reason. No inquisition = No Spain = No Mr. Kenny. I’m taking notes of all the details to write it down here because I think is criminal not to share the findings with the Website members.

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Very interesting; yes please continue to share :slight_smile:

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The Catholic kings embody the entire Greco-Roman, Visigoth, Christian heritage of the ancient and medieval world. Is through them that we are able to understand what later became and is now called the Spanish Empire. It was actually the Catholic Monarchy, that’s how it was popularly known throughout that era. Calling it a “Spanish Empire” is a term that emerged in the late 19th century, it was always known as The Catholic Monarchy, The Hispanic Monarchy, The Federative and Missionary Catholic Monarchy. Which continued to be Federative with the Augsburg’s and later broken by the Bourbon dynasty.

The reign of the Catholic Monarchs is precisely the axis ━━ I insist on this concept ━━ that is fundamental to understanding 1) The entire history of Spain 2) A good part of Europe in what was then called Christendom 3) Hispanic America, including North America. The Catholic Monarchs were largely responsible for beginning to evangelize, and colonize all of America. Because of all the repercussions that the Catholic Monarchs and their reign have had on the history of the Catholic Church and of the Catholic peoples, this is why I consider the reign of Isabel of Castile and Fernando of Aragon to be so important.

…By the way, important to remind people wanting to study the topic, to be mindful of the Black Legend which is anti-Spanish and therefore anti-Catholic. Knowing this will save you quiet some time. The Black Legend always set their sights on launching poisonous darts of slander, defamation, pure and simple lies, unsupported by the reality of the facts, historical events, and by documents. Black Legend historiography cannot present documents, when it does is out of context. Decontextualizing documents, facts, and characters to hide and silence positive events and focusing only on the negative ones, thus, distorting them because they are magnified.

Personally, this history is important because San Juan started with the Catholic Monarchs. The first church, university, our coat of arms, were all the creation of the Catholic Monarchs, signed by King Ferdinand himself. The will of Queen Isabel before she died was about San Juan. That Spaniards and Indians will marry and be treated equal. Their properties respected and that no harm must come to them. We were to be considered her children and treated as such. We all have a history and instead of spending so much energy on Israel, Ukraine, Middle East and bloody empire, our leaders should concentrate on our civilization and culture.

Th success of the Catholic Monarchs ━━ to summarize it ━━ was the creation of a series of institutions that were specific, concrete, and with a very well defined purpose. The success of the Catholic Monarchs is not due to one institution but to the interaction of all of them simultaneously. The Catholic Monarchs founded the Inquisition and this is part of their plan to promote national unity and social homogeneity. The multicultural diversity thing is a resounding and utter failure and is clearly being demonstrated in Europe and the US. The Catholic Monarchs aspired to the unity of the different kingdoms, to the federative monarchy, not the centralized monarchy of the Bourbons which was the fruit of enlightened ideology.

What the Catholic Monarchs intended with the creation of the Inquisition was the national unity, because evidently, the greatest unity is the unity of faith, the unity of spirit. Without this, ladies and gentlemen, there is no unity. This is clearly evident in Europe and The United States. For example in modern day Spain, with the loss of Catholic unity, the unity of the Spaniards no longer exists they are always fighting. They even don’t have unity of language, Vascongada, Galizia, Valencia, Aragon, they all have their regional dialects. When the Catholic unity and faith is broken the rest falls under its own weight.

The Catholic Monarchs have this very clear and they are out to establish the unity of the kingdoms and the unity of the faith. When the Inquisition was formed that was the goal to protect the union of the Catholic faith, which is the faith of the majority of the people. They want to protect their subjects faith, traditions, the entire ecosystem of their people. Also thanks to that, project it, unity is strength. During the eight centuries of the Reconquista, the lesson was learned. The Catholic monarchs knew that the Visigothic kingdom fell due to fragmentation and internal division. One detail that many people don’t know, most of the fighting during La Reconquista was not only against Muslims but Visigoths that bent the knee to the Muslims. In other words, they converted to Islam. They did that to keep their chair, their land, their castle, etc. Just like modern politicians.

The Catholic Monarchs had this very clear when the Inquisition was created. They had it perfectly perfectly perfectly clear. Protection of the faith. Protection of the people. Why? Because they were the Catholic Monarchy, they are the Hispanic monarchy, their people are christian. This is the axis of all the legislative work of the Catholic Monarchs and that leads to the creation of the Court of the Holy Inquisition.

That’s essentially the backdrop of all those books. I still have notes to organize but my intention is to dive deeper on the people behind the Inquisition because this left me quiet dumbfounded and retarded. I even had to go to the bible and look at some passages.

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This thread is stirring my Iberian soul! I can still read a little Spanish and just bookmarked the summary of 1000 pages. Thank you Kenny !!

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Another historical event that forgot to mention is the Third Council of Toledo in 589. During this council Christianity was consolidated in Visigoth Spain. In other words, this is what the Catholic Monarchs intended, we must return to the Catholic unity of the Visigoth kingdom. This would also involve expelling the Moors and ending the last Mohammedan, Saracen kingdom, which is the Kingdom of Granada. That is a much later event.

What the Catholic Monarchs inherited after the death of King Enrique IV of Castile, was a complete and utter chaos an unmitigated disaster. At the political, legal, economic, and international level. Also at an ecclesiastical level, and the ecclesiastical reforms of Isabel and Fernando were also decisive for the Catholic church even to this day. Is not hyperbole, The Council of Trent was largely a Spanish council.

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France has been a Catholic country, but the unity of the nation was not shaped around Catholicism. In Spain you see this, the unity was achieved through the Catholic faith. In other words, it was the church who formed the country. Is the only nation in the region invaded by Islam and reconquered for the Catholic faith. The Reconquista was a long crusade of eight centuries to expel the Saracen enemy.

The institution of the Inquisition was approved by Pope Sixtus IV. This was done at the request of King Fernando and Queen Isabel. In other words, the Inquisition was put under the command of the Catholic Monarchs. This is a novelty compared to previous inquisitions because they did not work this way. There was a Papal Inquisition, then an Episcopal inquisition but never an inquisition has been put under the command of any ruler. The detail stood out and this means that the members of the Inquisition are officials of the crown.

Inquisition comes from the Latin inquisito, which means investigation. The purpose of the inquisition is to investigate not to exterminate. Black Legend historiography has always tried ─ with great success ─ to equate the Inquisition with the Gestapo. They say nothing about the Soviet KGB because deep down, they have deep admiration and affection for communism. The inquisition was not this and they were installed around all the kingdoms together with other officials like the Corregidores or Magistrates who were representatives of the crown. The investigation of the inquisition was a regulated procedure. The most erroneous thing to do, is to accuse the Inquisition of arbitrariness. The procedure was so carefully worked out that it was impossible to act arbitrarily. The institution is anti - Judaizing, not anti-Jew, not antisemitic. Is not investigating Jews, is investigating CHRISTIANS that are Judaizing and are false converts. They were all over the place in positions of power creating a societal problem. Any similarities to what is happening in modern evangelical churches and inside the American goverment is pure coincidence.

The finality of the Inquisition is 1) Christian 2) Conciliar expressed in provincial and ecumenical councils and 3) Patristic. The last one is interesting because after Vatican II with the Novel Theology, one of its features is to take the doctrine or texts of the Holy Fathers and oppose them to the scholastic theology and in particular against Thomistic scholasticism. Since the people in the Novel Theology are very liberal and progressive, some of the commentaries of the early church fathers are very inconvenient because they are not modernist at all. Why I mention this? Because one of the arguments preventing the beatification and canonization of Queen Isabela is because of the expulsion of the Jews and the foundation of the inquisition. In my opinion, they are wrong.

The Council of Elvira in the year 305 makes it clear, Judaism is harmful to the faith. That is not a local deviation, not known in the rest of the universal church. Many of the Church Fathers sustained the same thing. Saint Irenaeus of Lyon in his famous writing Adversus Haereses, has the same anti-Judaizing position. Saint Augustine, Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Thomas Aquinas, etc. From one side to the other, they all shared the same approach. Today none of them would be Saint, with the political correctness, dissolution of faith, servility towards the modern and post-modern world, and protestantization of the Catholic Church.

The Council of Elvira was presided by Bishop Hosius of Cordoba. He lead the provincial council that clearly states that Judaism is harmful to the faith. The same Hosius of Cordoba ─ pay attention ─ that presided the First Council of Nicaea. The council that established the dogma of the Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Council of Elvira was not a get together to drink coffee and eat donuts.

My point is, that is in the course of performance. Judaism is not compatible and not reconcilable with Christianity. Queen Isabela was a defender of the faith. To say Judaeo-Christian is like me saying Pachamama-Calvinism, or Islamic- Buddhism. I don’t know how “Western Culture” fell into this.

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The predecessor of Queen Isabel, King Enrique IV of Castile, did asked the papacy to establish the inquisition under his command. The people in Castile were already demanding this since 1464. Isabel and Fernando were not even married. In other words, they didn’t came up with the idea because they were monsters or anything like that. Which is where you see the Black Legend historiography at play. Is always the Spanish Inquisition “Oh the Spanish Inquisition” is almost a slogan. This is where you see the power that for centuries the Protestant propaganda has exercised, which was later picked up by the people of the illustration which today Spaniards themselves have assumed.

The inquisition was not antisemitic. There is no biological racism. Biological racism arose with Darwin, who was a Protestant. The superior species therefore the superior races. Who ran the slave trade? The English Protestants. It is a very unpleasant thing and Protestantism has taken their time to hide, silence, and manipulate narrative. The Spanish inquisition is not a precursor of gas chambers or the SS. Nope there is no biological racism, there is no hate against Jewish people. And this can be demonstrated with facts, documents, and with the people that were involved in the Inquisition. That one left me dumbfounded because many of the inquisitors - if not all - were Jews and Jews that took their Christian faith seriously.

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The people behind the Inquisition are ex ex ex ex Jews that were converted to Christianity. This is why they reject Jews that have falsely converted. People that are judaizing and simulating which is a sacrilege.

King Fernando II of Aragon had Jewish ancestry. In other words, there is no antisemitism here, there is no hate against the Jewish people. Is not the biological racism that will arrive with the scientism at the hands of the protestants. Is no causality that racism elevated to the category of political ideology with the Nationalist Socialist Party, emerges in a Protestant country like Germany.

The most fun part of this whole story is the characters. I will post the names of some of the false converts, if I can find some pictures, that would be excellent. People will be shocked with the positions some of these people had.

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The First Inquisitor General was a fellow by the name of Tomás de Torquemada. He received the title in 1486. Tomás de Torquemada was a Dominican friar, a man of great culture, great religious observance, great psychological balance, deep religiosity. This is what the archival documents that many historians have examined say. Black Legend historiography can’t produce documents and have made him the previous incarnation of Adolf Hitler.

Friar Tomás de Torquemada was a Jew that converted to Christianity and this was known by everybody. Diego de Deza, also a Dominican friar, Second Inquisitor General, and sucesor of Tomás de Torquemada was also a convert of Jewish origin. In other words, the first two Inquisitor Generals, were converts of Jewish origin. They came from Jewish families that converted with absolute sincerity to the truth of the faith. The people that structured the inquisition and put it in action came from Jewish families who converted. Everybody knew this and there was no problem whatsoever.

The anti-Judaizing repression was a demand, a request made by the converted Jews themselves. The Inquisition was a request made by the Catholic Monarchs to the papacy, but it was the Jews that genuinely converted to Christianity that requested this from the Catholic Monarchs.

Fray Hernando de Talavera, monk of the Order of Saint Jerome. He had a transcendental influence on the Catholic Monarchs. Not only at the level of government and structure but also at an intelectual level. Although the Catholic Monarchs knew this, he makes them understand the importance of a united royal marriage that is harmonic and at the service of the common good and at the service of the salvation of souls and the glory of God. He became the first Archbishop of Granada after the Reconquista was completed. He was also of Jewish origin.

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I know the material puts me at the height of political incorrectness, but, what passed as history is that the Catholic Spaniards of the time, were fearsome and despicable racists and horrible people. There is no racism in Spain, there has never been racism structured as an ideology and much less elevated to the category of a political party like what happened in Protestant Lutheran Germany.

Here is another example, Rabi Salomón Ha-Levi converted to Christianity and became Archbishop of Burgos. His Christian name is Pablo de Santa Maria, this fellow wrote a book called Dialogo contra Los Judíos (Dialog Against the Jews). Not dialog with the Jews no no no no. He also wrote De iudaicis erroribus ex Talmut, Errores y falsedades del Talmud (Errors and falsehoods of the Talmud).

Another Jewish Rabi, Jeshua HaLorki, known as Jerónimo de Santa Fe. He became a Monk of the Order of Santa Fe. Wrote a treaty called El Tratado contra los Judíos (The Treatise Against the Jews) in 1468. Twenty years before the Inquisition was created.

These are two cases of Jews that converted, one was a Monk of the Order of Saint Jerome which was a very prestigious order with an important presence in the 15th, 16th century Spain until it was later disbanded by a Mason. He became Archbishop of Burgos and the other a Monk of the Order of Santa Fe.

The examples are countless. The examples are countless.They’ve evidently hidden this, buried it, and done everything possible to keep this knowledge from reaching the people. And present in a Manichean way that these are the good ones and these are the bad ones. The good ones are the Jews, who have no original sin, are pure, immaculate, selfless, magnificent, generous angelic beings. Then the really bad ones, the Christians, the Catholics, the Catholic Monarchs, the Church, who are ignorant, fanatic, sectarian, and absolutely racist, who hate Jews and are the version of the Nationalist Socialist party in 16th century Spain. A kind of a prologue of all that later happened in 1930’s Germany. In Lutheran Protestant Germany.

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