Iran has been on my mind lately as a âkeyâ to understanding ancient history, and the civilizations that arose within that part of the Earth. Sure, Egypt with the Great Pyramid is mightly important to understanding ancient history, but Iran is an isloated, and mysterious place where many âsecretsâ can be, and have been found. Other places to look are in Australia where aboriginal tribes made some fascinating drawings in secluded caves, and also the desert areas of the Southwestern U.S. Seems like the arid regions still have some ancient clues that have not been eroded too badly, or âwashed-awayâ. Probably many more places to look if we took the time to name them.
So, thanks very much for bringing these facts to our attention.
The most interesting question, for me, is whether the interpretations of some of the symbols as the verbs âgaveâ and âmadeâ will throw any light on whether Elamite is a language isolate or not. The more language isolates are proved to exist, the more difficult it is to assert that all languages have a common origin. And those two little verbs may be enough to answer the Elamite part of the question one way or the other.
Did our languages change gradually because we scattered, or did we scatter because our languages changed suddenly?
A good question - as âsort-of-answeredâ in the Tower of Babel âstoryâ that JPF delves into, and here is the link to an old post he made about that subject. It is a good, thought provoking readâŠ
THE IMPENDING REVERSAL OF THE TOWER OF BABEL MOMENT⊠(gizadeathstar.com)
Now here is another interesting âtidbitâ that I remember - Nepal. A fairly isolated geographic area of ancient civilization. Might want to do some âdigging aroundâ.
What about Earthâs tectonic plates, and how they have moved over Time? A person could derive an interesting point-of-view after looking at this -----
So, to bring this around to the original subject - who, or what civilization devised that âmysteriousâ writing system?
Apparently Elamite bears some resemblance to Cretan ⊠Paul had strong words for the Cretans in Titus 1:12. âAll Cretans are liarsâŠthey say so themselvesâ especially leaves you wondering 
Epimenides was a classical philosopher and poet from Crete. He wrote once that âall Cretans are liarsâ, a line that Paul quotes in Titus 1:12. The paradox is that Epimenides himself was a Cretan. So, if all Cretans are liars, then Epimenides is also a liar. If Epiminedes is a liar, then the statement that all Cretans are liars could mean that Paul, formerly named Saul could also be a âŠ
You know, as we all do, the New Testament portion of the âHoly Bibleâ was translated into Greek, right? But Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek. So, think about it, could the possible mistranslated Greek translation have misshaped Christianity? Wonder if there are any translations of the Holy Bible, especially the New Testament, which were made from the original Aramic tablets? Causes one to wonder, right?
Right. And chuckle. At any rate, if the thinkers of any culture are able to detach themselves sufficiently to see the flaws of their own, it stands to reason that might well be, a reasonable culture.
Not so sure however how I feel about the Minotaur.
Try this site that Iâve linked to. Seems to contain a lot of information.
https://worldcrunch.com/culture-society/what-jesus-really-said/flight-from-the-church
Thereâs also a guy from the middle east, Chouaqi, who did translate Genesis and Matthew with explanation about the local keys. I was disappointed he didnât keep going. But his translations are in French.
and what do u think on which language did Jesus speak to Pilate? not aramic for sure.
and âoriginal aramicâ tablets? tablets?! u r kidding urself. nobody wrote on tablets any more in that time. noone. its a fancy idea, but dumb as well, coming from people who know nothing of ME history of the time. think of the Nag Hammadi writings or the Dead Sea scrolls. tablets were forgotten at least a 1000 years long by that time. Egypt made a good case of the papyrus.
and no, âweâ do not know that the âoriginalâ version of the NT were written in aramic, there is no evidence for that at all. sorry. dig it up. these r urban legends of âcreativeâ minds who want to discredit the Greek texts from the start. never happened. although the Jews would (have) like(d) so. soâŠ
sorry that i left out the elamites. the script seems more like some kind of schytian linear rune-writing.
Good find. Explore this a little more with me, and together it is inevitable we will find something more. Lots of interesting to stuff swirling around out there to inspire, guide, and interest us even if âon-the-surfaceâ it is not readily apparent. A most interesting thing about this Forum is it tends to attract a good number of folks who are on a spiritual journey and searching for Truth. Their individual beliefs vary, and most are not into so-called âmainstream religionâ, but they are good, honest, folks.
First of all, I like the way you think, and question things! I believe Jesus may have spoken to Pilate through one of Pilateâs interpreters, which is a common practice for those who hold high office and have nearly unlimited resources. Next, letâs remember that when the âWise menâ told the authorities about the birth of a âKingâ, meaning the baby Jesus, a decree went out to slaughter all male babies under the age of two. So, Mary and Joseph took Jesus, and fled to Egypt. Big clue for us thereâŠ
So, what did Jesus learn while in Egypt? Very possibly he learned to speak other languages, learned much about Egyptâs History. We also have information that he may have returned to Palestine, where he may have become involved with a mystic Jewish sect, the Essenes during the Second Temple period that flourished from the 2nd century BCE to the 1st century CE. The Jewish historian Josephus records that Essenes existed in large numbers, and many of their writings were on copper scrolls. I remember reading about that many years ago, and mainstream religious leaders cautioned their âflocksâ to not give those writings any weight, since it would âdamageâ their Faith, which I took to mean âthe accepted truthâ as taught by mainstream religion.
So, we are not always dealing with âurban legendsâ.
copper scrolls are not tabletsâŠ
Pilate spoke with Jesus alone, otherwise the Gospels would have mentioned a translator for sure.
almost everybody spoke KoinĂ© in which the Gospels were written, Common Greek, which was the lingua franca in the Empire after Alexander the Great. that is another solid reason for the Gospels to be written originally in that language, whatever the urban legends say. moreover Christâs message is universal, why would they write it down in a tribal language?! not even logical. the whole thought-thread is pointing at trying to discredit the Gospels. same old 2000 years storyâŠ
we have no reason to think that Jesus did not learn KoinĂ© in Egypt. Jesus was not dumb, for Christâs sake! ;-D
We do have another, more reliable source to read. The Didache is a source that âskirtsâ, and many contend surpasses the New Testament, and all the controversy swirling around its many different translations. Plus, the âbottom-lineâ for me, and other like-minded folks is Faith. Sure, Iâm skeptical of many things, we all are skeptics to some degree or other. For me, I have had bad things thrown at me by bad people, only to see their attempts utterly fail. What I did was to pray, in Faith, and my enemiesâ plans against me utterly failed. So, for me and my family when we pray, we pray in Faith, and âthingsâ always work out the best for us. Try it!!!
Question, In the original post, about a previously unknown society that flourished between ancient Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley in the dawn of civilization, has anyone discovered, or at least provided any good evidence of that âunknown societyâ?
Prove it! Simply saying the text is âsilentâ on the matter is nowhere near proof.
Right, âcopper scrolls are not tabletsâ, but they are indelible writings. No, this is not about âtrying to discredit the Gospelsâ, it does indicate that other evidence exists, with other sources of information. Question is, âWhy limit ourselves to one source of information?â
A careful reading of my Reply above says he probably did learn other languages, and we have no reason to think that Jesus did not learn Koiné in Egypt.
Have you read the Didache?
according to your logic, then if the didache does not say something or is âsilentâ then you have to prove whats missing. come onâŠ
if u r talking 'bout something, be precise. nothing is indelible, if that is the underlying idea, and there are no tablets of clay in that age, since that is what comes to mind at first to everybody if hears âtabletâ, who dealt with the subject for 10 minutes. although there are golden and silver tablets in history as well, and other types too, but everything perish. u r jumping in your tracing, which does not help any conversation.
the didachĂ© is mostly ok i think, but still retains the israelite lord/slavery-mentality and itâs prohibitions. a Christian is free to deal with astrology for example and only someone who wants to keep u blind would prohibit it. even the 12 tribes and apostles are according to the âsigns in the heavensâ, which were put there by God, or not? thats why its horseshoe as well and self-contradictory. religious text. hoo-boo. just think clearly. ⊠one of the causes it did not get canonized.
iâve read many-many ancient, old, medieval âsacred textsâ from several traditions and several languages worldwide. some of them in original, some of them translated. even translated some.
Thatâs good⊠So, you do not need to âtranslateâ my brief post to say things Iâm not sayingâŠ
I largely agree with your idea on the âlord/slavery-mentalityâ. So, I also expanded my research into other topics, and other researchers. Most likely we really have more âpointsâ on which we could agree with each other. So, start some new posts where you can explain yourself, and your ideas. Thank-you for an interesting conversation!!!
Interesting stuff, but my search for the translation you mentioned did not âfind itâ, so is there a Link we could all go to?
For others click the link below, then scroll down the page till you get to the subject interviews - The Philosopherâs Stone and the Magic of Social Engineering.
The website is still up For Sale, and it would be prudent to buy it!!! âjust sayinâ
Thank-you!
https://web.archive.org/web/20180725195249/http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html