… and one must read the Presocratics in order to understand Plato. 

If only the arguers had read any such thing!
I tried reading some of Marx once, then decided life was too short to bother. I’ve heard explanations of Hegel’s dialectic, including babble about how God needs the dialectic to become aware of himself, with the State being the ultimate something or other . . . I intuited Hegel was an educated lunatic and life was way too short to bother. If I live long enough, I’ll actually delve more into Plato and Aristotle.
Obligatory related Python:
Well, compared to all you’s guys I’m certainly no scholar…but if Sesame Street taught me ANYTHING in the 70’s…it was that Oscar the Grouch and Diogenes were right about more than a few things…
This version of society is too far gone, probably not worth the effort…no honest men left. Best thing to do at this point is circle the wagons and tell this world to GET LOST!
Happy Thanksgiving everybody! 
Edit: and Sling 'Em, please!
I’ll drink to that video!!
Happy Thanksgiving!
