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This is a bit of a stretch, but since they were talking about the development of the weapons, I thought you might find this interesting. Jason Gates has a “let’s get close to the truth enough to ask questions”… but not always there to provide the answer. At least he has a sense of humor.
I guess you have to have an Amazon membership so I can’t post a link. “Expedition Unknown, Season 3, Episode 4.” Worth a check for Gizars.