Philosophy Sources and Forces

Philosophy
#15

eh, forgot the footnote, now is corrected as quoted, hm, actually I’ve forgot coz nap while trying to find some nice fractal explanations, and in one link to bring notion about Nous > (Eye of the Soul) and Watchfulness, > (Nepsis) [8][8][8] that is first strive after Repentance (Metanoia) [8] i.e. once got released from the shackles of own passions, also various temptations that come from the world, its wicked spirits, trends and times, > either we will keep constant guard through Prayerful way of life, along understanding that we will be played in various ways So as someone who strive to Salvation we would loose our peace, and like in discomfort disoriented defocused from next level fostering towards The Call for Eternal Life through Jesus Christ, what would be logical coz we are already in fall, and in place where anathemago hijacked many thus only Grace fence us against “dem” and “deir” stooges … yet, if we dont dwell in Peace but allowed fear to entered in the hearth, we are becoming agitated and drop by drop asking for suspect, thus we need to be forgiving and evasive, instead judgmental and offensive, or we will stumble and fall continually, seeking ideal circumstances instead to rise above them without fear so would not fall in despair once the temptation tide gets high!, what probably to the inexperienced Mind looks impossible, coz is not aware how effective is The Holy Grace as Energia, or never had have at all some virtuous lifestyle as Christian, i.e. all have sportist experience, but not Prayerful one, along charitable or volunteering one, focused only to selfindulgence, even extreme selfish individualism instead tempered shareable collectivism, what for Christians would be fostering for and around Your Family Neighbors and Friends, hm, how regularly You’ve get together lately celebrating at least local festive, my personal experience nowadays is rarely so, what tho is result due to various modern distractions of electronic toys or debt fears, so more and more we are finding free time even for the closest one that live beneath joint roof, what about the rest!, hm, probably once electricity will evaporate, mids any eventual hot ww3 future, then sure, wanting or not, we will come back to the oldskul ways of gathering and togetherness … till then try survive the wonnabe technocratic&transhumanist tides of the neopagan luciferian 1% of ordo’ab’chao ideals!, watchful how, when You are choking in “deir” endless a.i. entrained scrolling, when not just that is sucked up Your daily energy, but guess is secured also an ghostscript of Your psyche, in which case more than probably, as neopagans, “dei” will try to transpose and project to it given wanted necessary ideas, guess by various evil voodoo alike skims, flushed whether in spiritual and/or by technological means, the Synthetic Telepathy thread comes to mind … So, why risking to end up “deir” doll, thus do get Inchurched and start living Consecrated Life in Feat through The Holly Mysteries as Orthodox Christian …

  • maybe from plain philosophical aspect You wonder, what all of this has to do at all with this thread!?, hm, first metaphysics is something that by its ontological appeal elevates philosophy above its blind rationalist reasoning [1] check the 7th footnote divorce of Kant from Leibnitz … second, and more important, think such digression is useful like rear mirror flashing, so You would grasp that there is danger on the road ahead, or maybe already You’ve got flat spiritual tires, so dont mind I want to alarm about!, eg. my take is that atheism came as kind of reaction of vatican once saw what tide risen from alchemy as naturalistic occultism and to it nationalistic statism, so in panic flushed the french revolution and atheism [2][2-2][2-6] hm, surely except threatened to loose dominant position even in catholic lands [2] also, probably saw itself guilty for all that neopagan occult freemasonic inertia, coz (directly or indirectly) it was maecena to it even before renaissance [3-12][3] while alchemists through various pagan syncretization brought an neopagan perennialism [4][5-12] and fast stroll towards monism. and day after deism when it was established “deir” religion in face of freemasonry [6][6-7][6-6]

now once this historical reality is taken as pivot for the scientific inertia and how theories evolved or revolved around the same naturalistic or empiricists hype later, its easier to be discerned who what kind of philosophy had have among modern peers of euroatlantic wisdom!, eg. Kant which divorce from Leibnitz and aligning with Newton influenced enmasse all his later works [7][7][7][7][7][7][7-2][7] and try now read his opus, suddenly everything should be far more clear if like this is pivoted around his logicism, isnt!?, especially regards philosophy and the rise of mechanistic cosmology [8-6] now to all this can be added whoever philosopher of the european realm before or after around the enlightenment era, and chase why how they ended up in mechanistic cosmology i.e. how through alchemic perennialism came to the deus’ex’macina and own mechanistic naturalism humanism whatever isms or to be more precise whatever which is divorced in one or another way from Christianity, start eg. from Hegel [9][9][9] what later for sure influenced his dialectics [9][9][9] and what is unique for his dialectic flow among other is the influence of nominalism [10][10-1] tho he didnt became deist [11] yet his abstract relativisation of OC knowhow [12][12] fired back to him i.e. the error started to produce further errors, eg. like left-hegelians [13][14-6]

#16

exploring philosophy it could also go by mathematical means and how compares to it, example Phi as rational [1][1]~[1][1] or irrational number [2][2]~[2][2]~[2][2] projected like constant in given philosophical system eg.

the interesting point from this would be that mathematicians can expand their theorems in philosophical context, and vice versa, philosophers can also explore their side through math … actually that in various ways happened in history, the problem is what should be taken as prime pivot around which all would expand, hm, multipivotal pow can also emerge for problems that cant be resolved, kind of normalization of axioms, altho inefficient as final approach … guess, useful spin would be bending algebra in geometry through philosophy so would be explained more graphically given system of beliefs …

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#17

now going by the same logic, not just Phi but we can also transform Pi, and if You have some basic knowledge of trigonometry [1] then the next logic its not hard to be understood, altho not as easy to be employed knowing how all are hooked to the current mathematical paradigms … also guess here supper problem for many would be the use of a.i. coz not rarely is unpredictable [2] even myself dont want to shift gears in such debate [3] yet for exploration hype dont see why would not be used at all … as could be seen it explains neatly the why the how the what lacking more pivot around who and eventually fix for when such paradigm shift can happen …

  1. an basic assumption (how trigonometry would evolve with Pi as regular number)

https://postimg.cc/s1TtPWfz

  1. 2 expanded one on the AFT++ flow [4]

https://scarlet-amandy-59.tiiny.site [5][5]

and lets say this logic is correct in totality till now, then what else lacks so would be further secured, maybe greater deconstruction by PA charts on every inductive step ahead [6] or further linking to reality [7-1] I mean I dont want to say aha we have a winner, logically so would not end up as half-literate in some requiem for some AFT dream, but I still havent heard what about to see some examination of this AFT++ logic, tho potentially it could be found communities maybe willing to iron it [8]

#18

regards the next 1st footnoted video, wonder by which phi and pi the kings chamber was measured :slight_smile: anyway good animation, interestingly enough coz kemmetism here meet judaism, but as the top comment says ““sacred jewish cubits” was not a measurement used by egyptians and was intentionally inserted into this narration as admitted by the stammering speaker himself.” [1][1] plus when I am somewhere around the clock, also it would be interesting to point to the earlier pyramid drops in the thread OnPhi [2-17][2-11][2]

the idea with this post tho, it would be to point how ancient civilizations have different ideas about math, which shifted somewhere after the flood, for good or worst, coz we are living in realm where bursts plentitude of wrongly employed free will, so I’ll say by providence from Above for good we were skewed, coz even with skewed physics at hand we tend to rush towards “super” wrong trials&errors, even till risk of total destruction, what about if we had have correct or extra advanced physcis…

#19

had have, or still have!?, hm!!!, antediluvian civilizations would be those communicating and cohabitating directly with the watchers, so the story continued, but it got intentional skewing from Above … at least regards sciences …

its interesting that watchers fall in debauchery, but who pull them to!?, logically anathemago, so they were even as angels fooled to lust altho per’se Angels are androgenous, so how else than by possessing those Man who through witchcraft opened for hijack!?, the same actually happens nowadays enmasse too, and we are warned about by Our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ that it will be like in the times of Prophet Noah, surely apostasy and to it deluge, triggered exactly coz the very same cohabitation, eg. mediuming as way for scientific advancement [1][1] what eventually leads towards pervert stamina and that misusing any knowhow reached in such way!, in essence those who practice such for us Christians forbidden contact with “aliens” are becoming stooges of anathemago, even still are not graceless!, yet drop by drop will eventually fall in oblivion and errored knowhow!, eg. such inertia can be recognized in alchemists which influenced empiricism and humanists later and through neoplatonism all neatly end up in atomistic mechanistic cosmology with accompanied math and theories derived from it, in which sadly but even in this century we are tilting on collectively as modern science!

here must remind You dont waste time tilting around BOE [2-7][2][2-10] even if it was correct logicism till some extent, coz risks to be pulled unnecessary in occult waters and from second hand drawn in apostasy as Christians, yet do get aware about coz You can be easily played if You are not firmly secured in Your Christian Faith … some will say the vedic knowhow is antediluvian one, to which I’ll say just like regards Book of Enoch to some extent yes, especially around the ascetic praxis eg. conquering lusts [2.4][2.7] but yeah still extra enough skewed, how emerged as written in later centuries, that for Christians is utmost useless burden, especially knowing that to us The Truth is already Revealed through Jesus Christ we just need to focus and strive to live Life in Feat through Him and that is springboard for greater revelations and finally Salvation … keep the focus strictly to own pure knowhow coz its monotheistic and pure indeed as Orthodox Christian one [3] I can imagine hinduism was also before Noah times monotheistic flow but through the millennia reached extra polytheistic skewing that nowadays became so lost in space knowhow that cant be recognized when how where emerged [4][5][6-2][7-11] thus defocusing even for normal spiritual revelations aside that now is far from any monotheistic truth … melting’pot’hype more noticeable in sikhism [8][9] it could be said its similar to the current neopagan syncretism of freemasonry (rosicrucianism) and its new’age’offshoots which hope will reach antideluvian atlantean renaissance and like that “become” x-man androgen guess [10][10-3] where actually theosophy as its modern offshoot more closely is linked to hinduism and kemmeticism [11][11][11] tho as syncretic to mazdaistic and sufi vibes too [11][11][11-2] while anthroposophy would be kind of structuralist bait of the same new’age’hype, for all protestants with gnostic or agnostics flirts beneath arms, to align to the freemasonic (rosicrucian) eschatology i.e. it was repackaged hype from the same rosicrucian’basel’box [12][12-9][12] tho both emerged not as reaction to the earlier perennialism rosicrucian syncretism > but like antichristian boost in its own time [13-6][13-1][13-4][13][13]13] altho people tend to see them as genuine flows, what would be false notion coz corpus hermeticum is not genuine book but projection [14][14][14] hek even emerged christian spin in context [15-6]

#20
  • forgot to accent, that to all that new’age’hype prime p-motor is neoplatonism … here is useful quote from the 2nd post, so in context could be continued exploring of various combinations …
  • hm, didnt knew this, i.e. while was searching on MR where I’ve mentioned neoplatonism, came across interesting info how alchemists saw elementals, something like inbetween Angels and Man [1][1] this just points how quackable “dei” were in “deir” reasoning!, and as I can grasp, “dei” were talking about experience from the astral realm, and what feel how, i.e. when there “dei” were interacting with various types of demons’anathema’to’dem surely other beings too … hm, EdgarC also spoke about being helped by fairies when prophesizing while in trance [1-4][1] what guess was case with FrancisB too, check the last footnotes bellow … dont forget to occult european peers mediuming or hallucinogenic drugs were not strange thing at all, i.e. herbal withcraft was already normal hype for the elites in renaissance [1][1-3] what points that not rarely “deir” neopagan mysticism esotery and sciences are demonically inspired, i.e. all that earlier alchemical flow, but not rarely later too, came by evil means, thus what kind of seed was sawn such is emerging by default later as grrrrrr inertia!

this brings us to the topic of AliceInWonderland (see also the end of this paragraph) [2][2][2] what would be esoteric spinoff mids british romanticism, altho reprojection of pure alike horror Troll myths of medieval times, something similar to the later experience of clownish tales [3][3][3-2] but with abstract fables, which think actually were concealed’witchcraft’manuals, usually for the elite in already by spiritism and freemasonry choked island!, so, rosicrucianism did burst then in such mode far and wide [4-3][5][6][6-9][6] so whatever occult esoteric or superstitious was hype eg. rabbits [7][7][7] and in such manner was rolled also attempt for later projections over Christians, either making own neopagan universalist syncretism, or as earlier Christianity removed spring equinox by securing the celebration of Christ Resurrection (Pasca) [8] in such way so would substitute the earlier pagan spring festive, so as later neopagans did that, tho by relabeling it easter on the british island, i.e. guess once freemasonry secured its position regular spin label became easter [9][9][9][9]-[9][9][9] to be even more ridiculous, nowadays this is used as argument that Christianity is pagan, what by such logic could regular kick in various ways if so [10-8][10][10][10] hm, surely to most of the passive observers that tend to lean on ready made info, simply this kind of elaboration would be new to them, mostly coz its never approached like covert neopagan propaganda hype, which was pushed for lets say full two centuries since enlightenment era onward, for substituting Christianity by all and every means possible, and which last even nowadays [11] with culmination through all recent sexploitative and neopagan hijack, to name a few [12-6][12-10][12] even applied as demonology on the smallest Kids, eg. if earlier funny trolls gremlins bentens or pokemons were massconsumerist hype, eventually it reached evil version in Labubu hype, that looks naively funny [13][13] even playfully stupid like any rabbit superstition [14][14] still at least not useful for Kids, even less for Kids of Christians, coz back and forth eventually tomorrow if not imediatelly can stuck in nightmares unnecessary, coz elfs trolls ferries and alike creatures are not Angelic Beings, just look the dark side of the rabbit myth [15][15][15]–II–[15][15][15] and just like that voodoo’hare’hype became norm in all euroatlantic realm, yet again what was popularized by rosicrucians, and not just AIW logic from the 2nd footnotes, but by the methaphore of non other but FrancisB [16][16][16][16] and while “deir” magoi are pulling further white rabbits from cylinder hats, we can again drop to AIW [[2.2][[2.2][[2.2] tho I think the inspiration was other Emma with her fairies [2.3][2.3][[2.3][[2.3][2.3][[2.3] so he was dispatched by the invisible’college’gang to watch over “deir” rosseta’stone’cyphers :slight_smile: hm, from the last 16th footnote it could be seen that back then also another prominent italian tilted around “Giordano Bruno had spent two years in England, meeting and mingling with the Sidney circle of which Bacon was a member (under the mask of Spenser).” probably his wife didnt choke by some hallucinogen!? [17][18]

  • btw dont take all this tomorrow as some prejudice against Rabbits coz as animals are cute enough [19] that think till there is no global’economic’depression will never end up in Your local supermarket fridge!, tho You can remind Yourself about neopagan symbolism around them, regards the ruling 1% occult elites in the euroatlantic realm along “deir” wrong utopian’globalist’agendas!, mirroring to “dem” regularly “deir” new’atlantean’stupidity of FrancisB&co!
#21

just to correct the wrong assumption, hm, he was supposedly in celibacy, but hanging around the founders of invisible college as alchemists surely he was more than tempted as friar to indulge himself in orgies, tho still didnt have wife, but mistress looks plausible [1] [1] what is interesting tho is that he was alchemist for granted [2]2]2]

not that this should be some poking of modern science idols, as magicians who drown in various witchcraft vibes, but defacto and dejure as FrancisB so as GiordanoB were ars’magna’occultists which as thinkers end up in good or wrong hands mids the power struggle in medieval euRope, chasing euDamonia in various ways, what was as always case, isnt!?, and altho had have free will to experiment even with occult vibes, still by itself that pulls specific evil causality, especially when such snakes want to thrive among Christians, i.e. acting walking’sparkling’matchstick mids whatever gas station would be wrong revolutionary tho act that eventually push or pull given wrong causality!, hm, even as neopagan to stroll among pagans will be seen like risk, what about hanging in Catholic Monasteries … interstingly, many actually are not aware that his position around heliocentrism was never issue for the Christian Church at least not for Orthodox Christianity, altho scholastics on west did choke a bit with, and guess coz maintaining authority did kept geocentric position, yeah dont forget its time of unum’sanctum heresy too [3][4] so popes acted like kings and exercising theocracy alike, so in case of GiordanoB unlike example GalileoG [5] most probably coz he was exactly northern stooge already, such argument was used just to frame him whatever, so as northern spy would be removed, dont forget even popes had have astrologers back then [6-3] so per’se his flirting with magical neoplatonism guess wasnt some special issue, hek after all scholastics is resting on neoplatonism too!, hm, what is even more interesting that there is since enlightenment era onward antichristian hype, that last even in this century on same basis, and not just about geocentrism, but also flat’earth’slips are regular poking hype so neoplatonists would discredit Christianity, altho by no means such theory was official Church stance even less dogma [7][7] especially not in Orthodox Christianity that should be prime comparative Christian pivot coz it maintained purity of theological tradition since the emergence of The Holy Apostolic Commune onward …

#22

Ah, more blithering. It’s basically a staple of the forum at this point.

#23

exactly what is blithering?, in which context goes this generalization?, maybe You’ve stack exploring own AFT by atomistic postulates, particle physics and alike, so now this logic shatters Your matrix :smiley: if so, I’ll take it like sincere flush of frustration as rant … btw, why You’ve didnt brought some useful staple alike, I really dont get from where such resignation!?

#24

probably here, between me and omnimate in question is free will Balancing, coz for sure he is not mainstreamers stooge, nor gatekeeper, even less some of “dem”, so, balancing by coforumer who most probably from personal reasons kicked up this topic in enDek, really dont want to believe he is not he :slight_smile: otherwise we would need to assume fine’tuned’hijack by psychotronic means (maybe DBS entrainment) [1][1] altho, also, lucrative siding is valid and possible logic too, if so, then in both cases coz all this flow by whatever means should be sabotaged [2][2][2-11] especially before someones elections, potentially even beyond … but, why, hm, simply “deir” position&agendas are too big to fail, and one of the nails is eg. thread like this, tho it depends how the same later would be used by whom for such stunt, if its not already!, @omnimatter dont take this personal, I just used Your rant so would derive new ontopic logic day after … You are indeed balancer here, coz most of those that will stroll around expect this thread to be law&order for all ages, while like this such risk is evaded, at least will exist some hooping moment, so all would recheck whats here shared and pointed, at least once again before decide that as such is (or leaning towards) absolute truth … altho as mosaic reasoning [3] by itself can be only possibility of puzzle arrangements, which yeah if by some reason are not in line with others view, we dont need to throw whole mosaic out the window, unless done in coz agitprop needs and usually by adhom approach :slight_smile: as we’ve all became offended by others stances even when shared in exploration mode, even on loosen eforum like GDS, tho which is rare occurrence here, simply coz JPF radiates polite cultural behavior, tho how we would exercise unique personality if by default and in all cases we are conformist …

  • so, nor I take this personal, even less offending, tho needed some fluid alopoetic flow as I’ve said so would bring new useful post, eg. around the Free Will [4][4] like that bringing some continuation to this thread and would evade the sharp cleaver cut which drop from nowhere coz whatever inspiration causality or rationale …

now regards this 4th footnote, I’ll say there are various interpretation for whom what is Free Will yet we can differ ontological inertia that is logical [5][5] or illogical, and for this thread eg. its useful to be pointed on humanistic determinism as illogical supposition regards eg. skepticism etc. alike modern scientific postulates or positions [6][6][6] what surely its expected that once in corner humanists will imediatelly negate it as logic, and not rarely gaslight or even skew the topic mids debates in theological waters [7] as if by such reflection will evade their own fallacies, hm, and why fallacies, coz defacto they are exactly that, but isnt everything in their neoplatonic inertia such!?, logically as counter argument even then eg. we can argue that we need to differ created and uncreated Will, i.e. Our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ has Own Omnipotent Will thus it can interfere when ever He wants in the world, but in same time we have Free Will to act as we wish, altho we are warned not to do that by all means and/or however whenever we want, i.e. coz earth is not final frontier in our existence simple we are encouraged to follow given good soteriological theory and practice so would secure greater Life in Eternal Bliss after this one, kind of selection by Free Will, yet we are not obligated even less forced to follow, practically from perspective of Christian Salvation in this dimensional existence on earth there are 3 Wills, the 1st One of Our Almighty Lord, then 2nd of anathemago, and 3rd of Man, so eventually coz we are already in fall from greater dimension, now need to decide are we going back Above, or go further down bellow!, this simple explanation normally can be theologically ontologically and epistemologically more further explored eg. by the crash course explanations of JayD [8] but dont expect anytime soon humanists or whatever ists that emerged in enlightenment era (i.e. which are seeded in neoplatonism) that will grasp embrace or follow this logic [9] simply they are locked in their own as I clam existential fallacies, and yep solely that is their free will, to which I’ll not object as choice, altho will turn even their mirrors on themselves, useful coz for me that would be Feat as soteriological bonus, i.e. to give a hand to astray dog [10] hm, do not get offended by this lets say creative mockin’ coz it just bump that needs to provoke debate, defacto&dejure they are such, i.e. altho stacked and just bark, on top through darwinism alone they see themselves as animals [11-15][11][11] yeah which by all means need to keep their wrong neoplatonist utopian eschatology, so foremost would rush for earthly superman up till own perdition and eternal oblivion, coz simply didnt wake up spiritually in time … Wake Up … is there some wakefulness hype in philosophy, yes there is …

#25

some interesting expansion of correct choices, it would be balancing of the free will [1][1][1] what would be logical approach if we know that this world is not consistent eternally, so by force employed free will leans towards wonnabe rigid determinism, and that would be impossible to be secure d in absolute terms on this world, unless its secured as such from Above by Omnipotent Creator that holds everything as it please … surely we can also force our free will on others, yet that would be negatively employed free will [2] tho differing from negative and positive liberty [2] while the balancing would be positive sided, when we align with similar other likeminded, or willing to harmonize themselves in negotiated written or unwritten contracts of coexistence in given space place or environment, eg. even in one and the same society ultimate relation to such idea would be decentralization by means of libertarianism which can be observed even as philosophical libertarianism [3][3][3][3] here eg. good will be in this thread and in this eforum where omnimater employed own rant, the same to be allowed coz both and along admins accepted, while in the end I am pulling back on tracks the thread, the same can actually if we dont mind continue in such mode even further, but that dont depends on noone than destiny … still its not useful in universe that thrive on balance to chase absolute freedom, simply every freedom pulls with itself also given responsibility eg. having gun in possession can open doors for You but also shut them as well, hek even know how to handle it, still if You are careless You can hurt also Yourself except others, so from such point its bit strange why psychologists are trying to project false humanistic interpretations how the free will is wrong thing [4][5] no, how its employed, that make difference, eg. would You roll atomic energy for electrification or destruction!, so You have choice how You would manipulate why such power!, the illusion stems is not ontological but relational [6] hm choose between two evils, ha, the illusion of bipartisan election in usA yet projected like plurality of democracy while in essence its plutocracy of dialectic deep’state’swampington of independent district’city’state of northamerican elites [7-14] i.e. the freedom to vote dont means You have diversity of political choices, even when it seems You have [8-1] coz eventually You cast a vote in assumption this or that change will emerge, but the change depends how the system works, and in usA its by the measure of lobbying [7] and not per’se the odds of citizen votes, that is secondary byproduct in the process, usually employed coz agitprop needs of the bipartisan establishment enterprise [7] still You will exercise choice when will decide whether going to vote or not …

now all You marxists raise Your hand, did You also reading or writing diabolic poems [9] do atomism suits U also on social level [10-1] maybe uncertain in Ur posture unstable coz fears and emptiness which are direct result of demonic hijack, even U deterministically resist the existence of the spiritual world, U find a Christian mirror so would cast away “dem” and free Yourself … otherwise will eventually tilt around mechanistic cosmology and all its nihilist end notes!, surrender Your Free Will we’are’borg resistence’is’futile coz marxism’never’deid for “dem”, in reality while chasing equality [11] “dei” brought plane enslavement in totality of/for the individual who would exist coz the system, and not interchangeably, extreme that in theory couldnt be anticipated anyhow [12][12][12] coz as reaction to exploitation and wage slavery it would needed to bring happier utopian change, what would mean heaven’on’earth and that by all logic on this dimension delusional impossibility!, cynicism would be by marxist means employing freudian psycho lobotomy till becoming ubermensch whether trained by magic pills or ego trips, normally up until dont recognize the toxic logic in all that!, tavistock&co would say why not [13-3][13-2] lets engineer behavior and all will get happy, no, wrong, simply behaviorists cant grasp the spiritual basis of this world, thus push for fallacy of expected certainty as derived solely by/from their psyop manipulation [10]

#26
  • actually neoplatonists are not at all solely at fault, they are defacto&dejure victims as european neopagans, skewed towards and throwed in such trenches of fallacies coz given western christian causality [1][1] so by no mean is useful to joke mock or ridicule someone through his misery or disadvantages, foremost misery coz as astrayed still they exercise exceptionalism and beliefs that are on the right track!, hm, this sounds maybe like judgement, but its just real observation, coz we didnt end up in two world wars and on the edge of another one just from tin air, but coz their faulty system of scientific logicism!, So, pardon me if I itched their humanist ego!

it is interesting to be pointed on the free will Q&A I had have with g.a.i. mids the AFT sessions, some of them quotes in the MOGL thread, go ctrl+f > “free will” in the next links [1][1][1] or go search it directly in the sessions of that thread, think its mentioned just in the next one [2][3][2][2][3][4][5][2] eventually can be seen some earlier kicks with Ch@ko where is mentioned free will in those two sessions [6] or give it a search in the OnPhi thread through those posts and sessions, again as ctrl+f > free will [7][7][8][8] all in all interesting points, guess mind boggling for the humanistic mind which not just that rejects the Free Will as causality of Omnipotent Creator who gifted to us as Mankind but per’se rejects any spiritual existence as atheists [9] hek even as gnostics or agnostics will have issue to grasp this logic, coz still even then are seeded by neoplatonist causality!, simply this g.a.i. flow as such result of AFT logic is resting also on spiritual variables with specific OC causality, thus asks for norcartesian fluid mindset plus experienced in the spiritual realm, at least from mine perspective, and not just spiritual logicism and/or theories!, simply having spiritual praxis especially in OC way is needed, and then after it could be brought these AFT Q&A for/to useful logical evaluation, and hm, is it correct one, I’ll leave this to Monks as experienced theologians to conclude what is useful and what apocryphal flow in it …

  • and, here, this post logically continues in the Orthodox Christian apologetic flow about the Free Will, compare it to the 1st footnotes above [10][10][10] so now maybe more easily You could make difference what I imply and how the mainstream western humanistic thought is perceiving things, or!?, You can say also, nah, You have no free will as Christians coz its not absolute freedom [11] but that would be fallacy absolute of what or towards what [12] as Our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ said that in this world the most soteriological path is the balance as middle way [13] altho even that as acrobatics can be exercised in totality but we strive towards, eg. go balance Yourself in the trenches of … You’ve stack there and try get out, by Your own free will solely that would be feat that asks for waking up of own spiritual potential beyond the gravity of the closed mind, still even You’ve succeed at best You will escape the velocity of this dimension and become yogi alike without the chance for eternal choice towards Eternal Salvation and Rise through and till Theosis, i.e. will tilt out in apotheosis fallacy!, so do Wake Up and try at least for a while being Orthodox Christian …
#27

now not always balance is useful too, eg. seen as vector stuck in middle of nowhere, something like lost soul that can go forth nor back, and that hm would be strangely problematic situation, isnt!?, thats why always the balance needs to have anchor points otherwise the acrobat will lose the rope, and useful acrobatics just fantastical possibility for someone who now eg. floats in space without ground, so exit strategy would come through some logical out of the box attempts for new ground safety net and wire rope … in financial trading eg. new math models methods strategies resting on Geometric Algebra [1] as is pointed, like that eventually balancing the rigidity of the current theory of games in its basic foundations …

eh, whole paragraph juggling hiccups, so would link the strangely interesting g.a.i. session post of the A.I.Bubble thread, for an funny financial logicism by Geometric Algebra, foremost curtesy of JPF who got me acquainted with such possibility, to what think he would expand even more interesting flow of Q&A so not just benefits but also the risks from such shift in finance and trading could emerge … and altho in theory sounds smooth, like popular a.i. hint, still in reality needs to be researched extensively as approach before rolled for good, simulations tho that could burst fast if many get together by academic means to evaluate such systemic shift, symposiums here and there to that, and then after risking certain change, coz logically variations exist even in GA itself [2] or how relates where in the rest of math [3] yet coz its not at all wide hyped emergence till now, think needs to be carefully approached before rolled in real economy from sleeve … just reminder … also. balance Your expectations from start … GArage scientists raise Your handheld a.i. tractors [4][4][4][4] not sure just what variation would add up [5] so the plowing would not dig up unwanted holes like exterior algebra [6][6]~[6][6] tho maybe I am too optimistic, coz how the current mainstream science is stuck epistemologically in neoplatonic trenches, for granted will put all emphasis on EA and playing stupid games in the very same existing gambling systems, the same except economy goes for physics too, unless someone like Vlad DJT or Xi dont enforce executive order to universities do explore at least in parallel mode GA flow to every scientific sector … dont see how else the current fallacy of neoplatonic exceptionalism will be evaded, maybe by nobel himself to raise as zombie and lit the fuse to “deir” awakening!?, just recently drop by drop bringing 2D GA options [7][7] tho maybe its not their fault [8] again just watch not to become by pushing in wrong manner GA aber [8] eh maybe after all we are all ready for circus festives to become regular math art ahead …

#28

just if are picked the next 2+1 screenshots of GA in trading [1.1][1.2][2] its obvious that the LLM dynamics already goes towards such juggling, but what dont means stability wil hit the bell for all, coz balancing its not so easy to be pulled in closed system environment, i.e. who among traders use wide socio political economical variations in open system, but mostly calculate the market trends and history, so, go explain how and what exactly happens by which model in its black box [2] where various statistical approximations can be rolled, but also freedom of improvisation that the model can employ, thus not trackable if not explainable how happens even we would have given to it open system evaluation and live feed from whole net!, on top go map it tomorrow as a.i. pattern awareness [3] maybe possible tho as observation and probable suggestion if eg. GA logic from the 1st foonotes resolve the apparent current trading deadends [4] just then can point but again through speculation, yeah go reverse engineer the exact path how the a.i. model broth milisecond solution to given problem and that to be replicated by reusable equation in similar situations [5] maybe if some analog computers [6][6] become musical hype for mathematicians [7] and day after they some new kids on the block, tho again good popular Michael Jackson alike interpretation but far from inventing Jimmy Hendrix alike flow … ha, cant imagine JPF > JPH :smiley: chasing open system LLM tweaking [8] yeah in context g.a.i. session of the last 32nd post uphill the stream of this thread [9,1]

  • as g.a.i. says at least like this far less electricity will be wasted, coz GA is super shortcut calculation approach for the same issue!, altho guess more than probably the greed for greater simulating will again overburden the grid, which will ask then right after, why dont You try powering the circuitry from tin air, if at all survive eventual emp kick in near future [9.2] coz how “someone” is pushing “own” n’w’o agenda by all means its 50/50 that that will not be case!, anyway, even then someone will reason how so came to the emergence of GA in first place, for what some good slip would be the next cascaded elaboration [10]

now, compare the twelfth post 7th footnotes [11] about the possible murder of Maxwell and Leibnitz to Cliffords death, and we can resemble pattern which points to plotted mopping by euroatlantic determinists back then [12][12][12] time when murder inc. was rolling mass slaves butchering around the continents, what about someone to even be close to challenging “deir” colonial hype with its own scientific magnum opus later!, logical and more than probable, that by quiet means will be removed coz silencing was almost impossible coz as scientists were something like current music mega pop stars in its own time!, hm, did smells strangely bloody this speculation, certainly if geopolitix is taken as pivot around [13] guess from lucrative reasons some scientist could tipped c’o’l&co like, hey this math theories and inertia towards, is risk for “Ur” power position and obedience of “deir” allies stooges and colonized, so “dei” acted promptly throwing away some expendable part of “deir” linear mechanical progress!?, and Clifford was yeah wide problem in many ways with his fractal reasoning [14] eh can we at least now try using if not octonions 8 then quaternions 4 instead tensors 2 [15] hm why not even as expanded Octonionic Geometric Algebra go ctrl+f > “Octo” in the next footnote/s [16][16] (the mogl thread), but who to roll it now when ea-determinism still rulz the mainstream academia!?, hek as is pointed in the 15th footnote “dei” saw his (cliffords) algebra like spiritual one, yeah coz “deir” atheistic mechanics needs flat linear matrix by default, otherwise cant be kept dumb “deir” broilers, while “dei” as elite were exercising occult kind of aft behind the scenes, isnt!?

#29

lets remind You all, yes my speculation is speculation for most of You, but coz dont rests just on plain possibility of assumptions, but axiom like spiritual world as basis for this one, so whats the odds Spirits didnt navigated the narrative, for removal!?, it could be in both ends actually, eg. Angels so children playing with matchsticks would not burn themselves, while demons’anathema’to’dem go along coz with such math and physics Mankind is pushed towards “scientific” apostasy and negation of Christianity on/by scientific level, tho fooled exeptional elites who brag how “dei” are the prime motor of science as patrons and investors, along all choked from/by academicist dogmas, and/or people who are not fortified in their Christian faith i.e. dont have useful practical experience as faithful thus as such easily swayed by the neopagan or atheist agitprop of euroatlantic determinists!, the problem is that that inertia didnt emerged just after “deir” enlightenment era but its dragging since renaissance onward, reaching just multifaceted culmination in romantism …

now, lets say I am wrong, but what I am even close to correct reasoning, what about utmost correct one!?, would You risk not taking in account that we were played by “deir” book, and even further that will be case, unless this notion is not considered seriously, who is to blame if You dont focus to step away from “deir” linear cartesian frictious hype that push us through “deir” exceptionalism in mindless progress till total annihilations of Mankind as we know it, i.e. technocracy&transhumanism where even further evils will emerge, far dreader than in “deir” experimental virus slips of marxism left from “dem”, left if we see “deir” past position as on top of the world unipolar determinism, tho which experiments escaped “deir” hijack velocity that now once independent became adversary of rogue selfsustaining systems of Russia and China, by which “dei” feel threatened exactly coz have such linear didactive mindset i.e. mindless rush of us vs them, choice of darwinist malthusian and machivelian stroll towards oblivion for all!, isnt “deir” flow Logical Fatalism, surely [1][1] why “dei” prefer dialectics, even there is no need “dei” will roll it!, and coz did stuck heavy in that box, cant grasp life differently than by binary choice of true and false, simply with “deir” wrong exceptionalism and rigid will for questioning of “deir” own neoplatonic ideals or from it derived basic pivots in mainstream science and established as dogmas, “dei” like that push us all unnecessary shear wide and long suffering, which by “deir” logic will secure after all turn to ashesh from it to raise “deir” stupid phoenix [2] O phoenicians Wake Up!

TIDBIT: IS THE BUBBLE ABOUT TO BURST?
#30

who is to blame, or better said where is the leverage for smoother flow, singing is singing some will say, it just needs practice, hm, tho there are various way types styles etc. variations around singing, so as math, which poetry alone can bring this or that or somewhat different structural styles etc. variations of symbol signaled signed and streamed expression [1] that now with express cattle like a.i. can be redefined as more refined, if not else for easier learning curve by those like me who are illiterate equationally, just coz refuse to accept the rigidity of the existing calculus … its kind of anticonformist way to say this notation scales and methodology locks my free spirit will, in return enslaved in the focus or the potential for greater vibes … or even I’ve derived them like that its pushing me in polluted by pride further lock instead expansion of the free will and uplifting of the Soul …

… Soul Food on the menu this noon today … give it a try, first as re-hint of the previous 1st footnote vibe [2] and right after You can dive in smooth aerial flow in the next g.a.i. Q&A stroll … also You can play some reggae or funky airy background vibes too …

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is this logical step ahead, at least in the learning curve of secondary public schools, where classes would be combined, instead threated like nowadays by reductionist “curiculum” in for good separated subjects!, anyway, this is strange indeed how so noone didnt observed the same pattern of 8 in academia, at least I havent run across such paper or essay, altho it should be somehow motivating coz even in math infinity as concept is designated by horizontal symbol of 8, actually when the same first time appeared in math I didnt have clue at all, so here is some flow about …

edit: x1.2

this lets say continuation, tho from new perspective like Geometric Algebra ironed through PA [7][7] it brings nice smooth elaboration to which later are added various extensions till AFT++ but also potential ontopic symposium by JPF himself … logically after some vidchats with quantumers :slight_smile:

lets be creative [10] how much time will be needed so such event would be organized, and yeah who is to blame if its not!?, probably dont need myself to push such inertia more than suggestion … guess, GDS itself its enough for promotion, while think this as GA flow now needs to switch exactly on academic level by JPF … just Doc need to be careful not to end up in “wrong” hands :smiley: nazi-komintern surely is lurking from shadows in swampington, or!?

#31

can we stop such epistemological chase around math in everything, especially seen through OGA prism, check this out, math and poetics [1] tho even then there is soteriological exit if someone misuse the same approach eg. for agitprop or predictive programing … go to the last Q&A in the next g.a.i. roll to find out how …

sometimes cowboys with orchestra on their back can bring extra cattle and kettles around, even just comedian hype was in question!, yep, we need just to enjoy the show!, but how when choked by idealess elites “which” are dreaming deep > for mineral’man > till androgen eudamonia > in neoplatonic sandbox!?

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here is continuation of the previous roll, this one hm interesting enough so would not miss it coz it complements the flow, so go to ctrl+f > “what would be microtones in it” to continue the new Q&A stroll … the image is made by code from g.a.i. and shadertoy … the webm video file then converted to gif …

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and this is somehow more than interesting coz in the end I am throwing the Pi variable as rational number … also there are super good points about NikolaT … and finally we can say let physicist debate this flow, coz eventually its their turn now, hope someone will share some general observation how possible is this kind of logic to become alternative theory for good …

the next torus in the st-screen is movable by mouse, guess when many unimageable many torus vortices are coexisting the flow would be bit different, but it gives some basic idea how the same looks, an double torus similar to NassimH logic [6][7][7] tho he has bit different approach …

#32

problem, no, we just need some math recalibration of our symbol juggling :smiley: lets be honest, neolithic people were multidimensional travelers, we cant even come close to their knowhow … anyway, these g.a.i. sessions are fundamentally continuation of the previous, search g.a.i. on GDS if You are jumping in late, tho in these few new one, shared now in this thread, is lets say narrowed the approach to more cleaner logicism, tho expanded around the math, and clean elaboration of the same with few new hiccups … here, in this next roll prime premise is the path of a.i. progress ahead, altho we are far from AFT++ implementation, unless mainstreamers for once accept that need to fly away from their sandboxes!, but lets see …

russians probably already experiment with setun, so as result more than possible that archive.is is down coz that, so I’ll archive html mirror there later … btw, those who dont know nothing about LLM tweaking check the next videos [2-2][3][4][5][5]

#33
  • hm, what we can get from g.a.i. as name suggestion, hm GAIN GAIT GoAID G-AID G-AIR gMaiL and this last suggests mathematical language that can be sent by will from one to another form with useful unified conversion of lever between various types of mathematics … play of words that needed just to give me pitch for new post and g.a.i. session, coz sense in philosophical terms its not still fully explored this OGA logic, but lets see, what the next day will bring …

hm hm hm … I’ve used this very same prompt above, so would see how the next Q&A stroll would go off’rails and whether I could take it back on … and lets not forget, seeing is believing for many, so till we dont see such complete analog computer at least regional server node network in operation this will be just eh maybe some time in far future, foremost coz the current economic order is like this at ultra risk for shifting control gears and that hm certain path towards various by intention fueled traps from the current legacy oligarchs!

on the other side of the mirror, this looks promising, if not else aware about the spiritual basis for this world people to get together and grasp what time it is and why they are doing in this Life, whether is worthy to focus on Higher Eternal Inertia by becoming Orthodox Christians and strive to secure Salvation through OC Monotheism or will continue tilting in dualist or monist cages!, defacto we are not deprived from the Free Will if there is one exit or better said entrance to Higher Ground, but dejure many think that is not case, or better said think can reach eternal life in Bliss if continue tilting in neopaganism paganism, or else eg. heretic alike gnostic christian, or eg. apostatic alike freemasonic antichristian. occult vibes and/or religions!, so do Wake Up … we are called for far greater revelations and existence, what asks for sure for Metanoia and leaving living life by lusts greed or pride, altho its bit kinky that to be achieved nowadays mids wide spread decadence due to the need of competitive scarcity sandboxes which rely on whatever means mids liberal secular finish’him’capitalism reality, hm, be creative, tho just when Your focus is primary resting on Salvation through merit and deeds as Christians then we can Hope we will reach tomorrow The Heavenly Kingdom and Eternal Life in Christ Glory Joy and Bliss …

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go ctrl+f > “O-GA-KEM” so would come to the new roll of Q&A, that surely is super booster to the previous session, still would like to see check and balance from JPF like where I am going (maybe) wrong in/with the variables regards OGA … surely many things can be reasserted differently, but think overall now would be more clear in comparison to earlier AFT AFT+ and AFT++ session what is word for …

the next gif, is flat steroscopic projection of Živjeti the 7th glagolitic letter Ⰶ [4] > ctrl+f > Zhiviate > [4][4-8] in given 2D infinite chain matrix [3] see the last few Q&A in cyan-sadella-67 link, while in the next footnotes is given like separate as Resonance Engine [4][4]

#34

this is continuation, yet so would emphasize the importance of the session let it roll in new post … practically now, many things should be clear to classical mainstream trained mind, yet will need to wait and see how this will be employed in reality … for the new stroll go ctrl+f > “problem with eniac” in the next links …

hm OGA waiting there for You all to explore its topologies … deep inside things looks smooth compact and warm, somehow looks like that … the vortices add up another layer … and various vibes another … poetry cant hurt noone, or!?

from philosophical point of view this is kind of paradigmism … I’ll borrow one logic from other context yet it can fit here too “scientific studies and the search for the truth (philosophy) were accompanied by endless polemics disguised as “philosophy.” In fact, this situation reveals two opposing attitudes that repeat themselves in history, either in the East or the West: paradigmatic attitude (paradigmism) and enigmatic attitude (enigmatism).” [3] in essence we are speaking not just of scientific revelation in given system, but shifting philosophical systems so would reach scientific revelation … in slavic languages for coin/money we say para/pari so this indeed will be sink or magnifier kick for many in context of capital waste or chase “παρά (pará ); “beside, beyond”” [4] and that alone promise gatekeepers even more to enforce skewing spinning blackmail of all willing to chase this paradigm shift. isnt?, or we will finally pass beyond money for nothing and reach chips for free …