There be witches

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Earlier last week, Clinton gave a speech to a coven called ‘The Wing’. The event was put together by co-founders Audrey Gelman and Lauren Kassan to celebrate Hillary’s far-reaching influence within politics and media. During the event, Hillary promoted her book ‘What Happened‘ and discussed Russian meddling."

This is old news, but I often wonder how much this sort of worship of the dark arts has demented the entire country? Was there ever a time where people affiliated with the dark arts open and eagerly ever had so much power?

Remember back during the election? I think I read something where the witches cursing Trump and all of his supporters gave up because “Trump had something very powerful protecting him.”

What a weird time we live.

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Article on Kamala’s witch fans:

As someone with a background in Wiicca, I can say there have been rumors about Hillary being a member of “some left-hand path/dark coven in Southern California” for decades. I have never heard a direct reference that would support or deny this. But such a group would need to be highly secret as a matter of course, even from other Wiccans and Neo-Pagans. What I do know is that it was an open secret when I worked in a gay and lesbian-heavy HHS office in San Francisco, is that both Hillary and Janet Reno were part of a highly elite and limited membership “wymens retreat,” that happened once a year, in some rural location near DC. Everyone knew what THAT meant. I only have an issue with that because of its secrecy and hidden nature. I don’t care that Hillary dies in her bedroom. But it does suggest that she was a member of some somewhat secretive and supposedly “hidden” groups, at least when she was the First Lady in the White House. So, having other secrets does not surprise me. What I can say is that she wasn’t a member of any public Wiccan or Neo-Pagan group that I could find. This means if she was or is a member of “something,” it has (until now) been kept with exceptional secrecy. It has much more secrecy* than any of the groups I know could maintain for that long. In its way, that is kind of scary and concerning - if true.

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What an understatement.

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From 1964–1972 in The United States there was a television show called Bewitched that was quite popular. Samatha Stevens was good witch married to an advertising executive.
Looking back the show seems to have been conditioning to accept the occult. This was also during the flower power hippy days with weird goings on across the country.

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Been thinking about you@melodi the last few days for some reason. Noticed open and overt displays of proudly practicing witches increase in the past year. It is as though they feel it’s safe to come out and defy disapproval. Spiritual warfare is evident. Jesus has won the battle, but it must play out in his will and timing.

It always amazed me that no one picked up on it when George Bush invited Ricky Martin sing at his inaugural. First one. What followed was a curse that hasn’t been broken. “Livin La Vida Loca” Read the lyrics.
We’ve been under that spell ever since.

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@berbelang I have noticed many witch fans for both Hillary and Kamala. They don’t try to hide it anymore, they’re in your face with their sorcery :roll_eyes: It reminds of a cool trend they all participate with but they really don’t understand the cult or consequences. Being a witch is a new “strong left woman” status symbol it appears.

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It is almost amazing. One silver lining is that if I know humans as well as I think I do, their pride and bizarre contempt for most of society will lead to their downfall. I definitely hope so.

I read this book a year or so ago:

Witches, Feminism and the Fall of the West by Edward Dutton. It was intriguing as he made a good case for drawing parallels between witchcraft and feminism. I suppose I was let down by the summation of the book as I was hoping for some sort of guide to defeat this problem, but I took it for what it was worth as a guide as to why it has been happening. It’s available on Amazon still so it must not have sold well enough to make the dark side angry.

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Didn’t Ricky Martin turn out to be gay? I would imagine that he was into oddball things in that regard so it isn’t surprising that he would romaticize witches.

I only have one personal Hillary story. My grandfather was very wealthy (sadly it did not pass onto me - long story) and he would often have large parties with important people. When I was around I think 14 years old he had a party and in his bar room there was a man who stated he was the Clinton’s personal pilot (my grandfather made his fortune in the aircraft biz) and stated openly that Hillary was the most hateful human being he had ever met and always dreaded any flight that included her.

I am 55 now.

First, Wiccans call themselves witches, but generally, they are not what most think of when they hear the term witch. They don’t worship Satan, and cursing is usually discouraged because what you put out it likely to hit back at you. That said, I’ve seen a worrying trend in the last few years to “curse” specific public figures, which I have cautioned against. For the last thirty years, I’ve mostly practiced Asatru, a Northern Tradition often called heathenry or Norse Paganism. However, I still have many friends and contacts and will be a guest, sometimes in Wiccan or Neo-Pagan circles. Not all non-Lucifarian witches are Wiccan (at least not officially). Not everyone who calls themselves a witch is Wiccan; some are simply Neo-Pagans. I switched to using the term Priestess because “Witch” comes with too much baggage and too many assumptions. Lucifarians, on the other hand, are Satanists, and they sometimes call themselves witches. A clue is that usually, only Lucifarian men call themselves warlocks or sorcerers. Wiccan men prefer the term Priest or Male Witch.

Note to complicate things further: some “Dark” Covens are not Lucifarians exactly but may worship some dark deities and have some horrific practices (like child abuse, human or animal sacrifice, etc.) Wiccans and most Neo-Pagans find this heinous, except for groups that may religiously slaughter an animal to eat it at a feast. That is more “sacred slaughter” (dedicating the animal you plan to eat for dinner to a deity before you humanely kill, butcher, and eat it). Dark Covens do this sort of thing to stir up Dark Energy, not because they want to have a beef barbeque. Not the same thing at all. My hunch is that if “Hill” is involved in a Dark Coven - it is more likely this type than the official “Lucies,” which are pretty much a “Christian” Herasy (making Satan God, and God into Satan essentially). As opposed to worshiping Moloch or some of the other ancient Bad Boys.

However, I have many contacts, which continues to happen in the community. As I said, I could never get anything more concrete than “Hillary is a member of a dark coven that meets in Los Angeles.” Even when I lived in the Bay Area, there was a lot of crossover between the communities.

I have some second-hand information from a close friend who used to be a cop in Arkansas. He was close to one of Bill and Hill’s bodyguards when Bill was governor. But none of it is on the spiritual or magical side of things; let’s say the information is that they probably have a very open marriage. Which I think most Americans figured out a long time ago. Bill seems to have a lot of lady friends, and Hillary does, again, and that is second-hand information. I don’t know them, and I never met them. I don’t care what people do in their bedrooms, except when it involves things that could compromise National Security or the President (such as shenanigans under the White House Desk during worktime). Especially when the President is the employer, and the young person is a voluntary employee.

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Hi Melodi,
It seems folks are on a “witchhunt” of sorts. What some seem to want to call a “witch” are just women who love their gardens and forage for “weeds” for their healing properties. The women know the value of the garden and the weed. Maybe that frightens others. I don’t know.
Casting spells? Maybe, some amateurs perhaps. The wise ones know it’s best to leave spells alone. Even ones meant for good have a way of leaving a very bad long lasting taste in the mouth.
I live in a very small rural town. We have three, what I call “witchy” stores in this town. Someone explain that to me. I’ve been to all of them and find them pleasant. One does have bones and animal skins which they assure me are repurposed, not killed for that purpose. All I can figure is that there are remnants of native American Indian customs still around. But I do wonder do we have a coven somewhere? But from what I’ve seen what we have are women who wish to gather and discuss what women discuss. How to stay well, How to grow that garden and How to get back to nature.
I’m not stupid enough to think that evil and black magic don’t exist. They do. But I also know that there is a thing called karma and it comes back to bite and bites hard.
Someone made a deal out of Ricky Martin being gay after my comment. It has never been a secret that he is gay. He was gay when he was on General Hospital and the viewers knew it. But that doesn’t drive him to his “voodoo” or something similar music. The fact that he’s Hispanic may. But I might be stereotyping after years of living in Texas where voodoo could coexist with Christianity. I read the lyrics to that song after hearing it and thought, my gosh, what have we done to ourselves.

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Some of the bones and skins maybe Native American, though my Mentor (who is Native American) has taught me that most people prefer to make their own; they might buy a skin or leather if they need to. I have some (real) Shamanic training from an Academic (my major professor was considered one of the leading experts in his day) and Norse Revival work. I prefer to use (mostly) woven or knit materials for most of my “stuff,” though I’ve had a few things like a hide drum. My late husband was more into Wolf-Skins (he was a Priest of Odin) and the like. But he tended to do much of the leather work, wood carving, rune making, and even metal smithing himself. With European-based stuff, unless someone is partly Siberian (my professor was), you are likely borrowing things anyway. I have no problem recreating practices that work, but it bothers some people.

I agree with you about the Witch Hunts, which is why I posted. I don’t have a problem with simple positive spells, but again, I prefer things that “flow with” rather than things that “command.” My husband had trained first in a Western Magical Tradition and was more attracted to that practice. Joseph talked about the difference between prayer and trying to command something to happen. I don’t like to “command” because, being human, I can command a mistake. But again, it is a personal thing.

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Thank you sharing these insights and clearing up misconceptions. I live in south Texas and have met Hispanic Christians who say they’ve had “spells” cast on them that have effected their lives.

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I, too, am grateful for the insights being shared about “witches”.

As I was reading about “witches” killed during the Inquisition, it seemed that many were simply women practicing herbalism in their gardens, and being labelled “witches”. Which got me thinking: what lurks behind that label? And, are some people simply labelled as “witches”; while others are practicing all kinds of things in secret? The animal sacrifice stuff is chilling – very different from someone who got killed for growing herbs in her garden.

Thank you to all of you who have been offering insights!

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Often thought the same thing. Watched it as a child (5 years old) and can attest to it having some influence on me personally.

Also…The first “Darrin” was much better.

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