Wait! What? ... A Rattenlinien for me but not for thee ... Oops, sorry that should have been written in Latin ... A Rattenlinien in me sed non tibi

#1

Just a slight amount of Pot / Kettle business going on here don’t you think?

From the article -
"In December, [the Vatican released] (EXCLUSIVE: Carlo Maria Vigano Calls Out Pope Francis and His Hypocrisy on Open Borders Following New Vatican Rules on Unwanted Intruders | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft) a ‘Decree of the President of the Pontifical Commission for the Vatican City State’ regarding those who enter the Vatican under false pretenses. It states, ‘Anyone who enters the territory of the Vatican City State with violence, threats or deception is punishable by imprisonment from one to four years and a fine from €10,000.00 to €25,000.00. Entry is considered to have occurred ‘by deception’ when the entry occurs through fraudulent evasion of the security and protection systems of the State, or by evading border controls.’ "

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#2

Translation:
Don’t expect the Vatican to practice what they preach.
After all, that’s the globalist way of leadership.
Do as I say; not as I do.

#3

… Yep, DO NOT follow the consistently logically inconsistent. An individual might be cut some slack here and there, but NOT an institution such as The Vatican / Catholic Church.

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#4

The Pope is not the absolute monarch of the Roman Catholic church. He is not the owner of the church. Protestants and secular people pay more attention to the Pope than Roman Catholics do. Matters that are not related to faith are not binding. The Pope is not the oracle of Delphi. The Pope is not the supreme leader of the party, to whom Roman Catholics have to give blind obedience. The vicar of God, does not mean the Pope is Deus in mundum.

For example the Pope has said on two occasions, that Europe should open the ports, to allow the immigration of Muslims, which clearly rejects “western culture.” That is not a matter of faith, he can take a hike. In the dogmatic constitution Pastor Aeternus, is where Papal infallibility is defined. Only in matters of faith and customs. Only when speaking in solemn matters ex cathedra. He has to use a series of formulas and it has to be done in continuity of the tradition of the church.

Let me give an example. When Pope Francis said that the death penalty is not admissible and included this in the modern catechism, that is not Roman Catholic doctrine. Because always the Roman Catholic church defended the legitimacy of the death penalty. So even when the pope included this in a text for teaching, is not in continuity with the centuries old, Roman Catholic tradition. Don’t believe me, look it up. For Roman Catholics, without reason there is no faith. That faith is an intellectual virtue. Faith is not irrational. An irrational act of faith, is not an act of faith. In Roman Catholicism is not considered a meritorious act before God, because is an irrational obedience.

The last time the Pope spoke ex cathedra was in 1950-1954. The Catholics find it amusing every time the Pope gets the attention of the non Catholics. This Pope is the best thing that ever happened. I don’t know if people realize this. He is separating the wheat from the chaff, and laying the ground work for the Catholic special forces. Which is going to happen and people in Hispanic America need it to happen for very long reasons.

#5

… missing the point Kenny.

#6

The ratlines were supported by rogue elements in the Vatican…now they are supporting the Globalist’s agenda. The deception folks are already in there.
And the Pope Francis is the head honcho for them.

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#7

Not at all, got it better than the “American Thinker” who by the looks of it, is not Catholic and is more concerned about the Pope nuttery than Roman Catholics. San Bernard of Clairvaux put it more eloquently than me, when looking at three candidates running for Pope. He said " If he is a saint, let him pray for us; if he is wise, let him teach; if he is prudent, let him govern." In other words, put the Saint to govern and is a disaster. Put the wise to govern and is a disaster. Let’s put the prudent to govern according to San Bernardo. The Roman Catholics have not had the later in some time.

I will say this, when the Roman Catholic Church puts the house in order, non Roman Catholics are not going to like it at all. Particularly the babies of the Papacy, the Protestants. Conservatism will be the new woke.

#8

Looking forward to the new theocracy. Hope it’s a good administration.

#9

Bulldozer and Zero ecumenism in the future, enough is enough. Catholic teaching in public schools the whole nine yards. No more Protestant Illuminism.

#10

… very close to an ad hominem on the “American Thinker”. American Thinker is the name of the website. How many hundreds of years has the Church had to “put its house in order”? How’s that been workin’ out for the Church?

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#11

The Roman church needs a Pope that governs, who enters with a bulldozer and goes to town. A saint Pope is not going to do it. A wise Pope trying to change things by intellectual power is not going to do it. There have been great Popes, all of them canonist. People that applied the law, did it well, and put order. You can put order without law, have good intentions doing it, but it becomes arbitrary and ends up like Machiavelli “the end justify the means.” The laws in the Roman church are there it just needs to be enforced. You are going to see a canonist Pope going Genghis Khan in the Vatican. When that happens, no more ecumenism with anybody and a lot of things will happen.

Now… Roman Catholics are the ones who will judge if the Pope is doing a good or bad job. Not Protestants, not secular people, not masons, not Muslims, etc.

#12

… Hmmmm, So those outside Roman Catholicism (i.e. those not members or functionaries of The Church) are not allowed or able to critique The Pope or The Church?

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#13

Only “club members’ ” criticism will be considered valid and taken seriously? Umm
Please make sure that the members remain within the Vatican walls and are not allowed to proselytize to the rest of the world…as previously attempted.

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#14

No more ecumenism in the Roman Church.

#15

Pius IX of infallibility fame made subscribed to that phrase, as did all the submitting bishops, “ex concensu ecclesiae” (without the consent of the church, is how to translate that little phrase from Vatican I), said “So n’io tradizione.” I am tradition.

Seems pretty clear to me who the model of irreformability is.

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#16

Dear Dr. Farrell don’t give up on us, we might get an Orthodox Pope someday. There are plenty of traditional people in the Roman Catholic faith that understand the retarderies prior and after the schism.

#17

I do not give up. I know too many good and devout people there including my sister, and pray for that thorough and deep repentance of the institution and its return to Orthodoxy every night in my nightly prayers.

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#18

I’ve been watching and reading this thread. I want to get involved, but feel i was a bit scolded for going a few rounds with Kenny in past threads.

#19

…hop in but, be genteel and reasonable. You’ll be fine. :slight_smile:

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#20

If they would just open up all those vaults to researchers, i wouldn’t have a problem with the catholic church, they could go about doing whatever funny and odd rituals they wanted, like the scientologist. It’s when you hide things from people and anyone who questions you becomes “suspect,” going against the church, locked up even… Copernicus? The scientologist have funny and odd rituals and the most bizarre fairy tales for a religion that anyone with half a mind, obviously that eliminates the actor crowd apparently, wouldn’t fall for it. Take away a millennium of human intelligence and on the ground control networks, and the catholic church, the institution and not the real faith underlying it, looks nothing more than a weird ritualistic control mechanisms. One that was involved in many a nefarious political intrigue, ratlines, pedophilia and the crusades for just a few of examples.

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