From carl sagan's book "the demon-haunted world"

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Heard more than commentator say yesterday that we are living in a “pagan world”; one actually used the words “pagan world” with supporting examples.

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The cycle becomes complete with the return to superstition and taboos, much easier to control the “Dumb and Dumber” types than some of the “Dead Poets Society” types, some of which end up being the social engineers who helped create the dumbed down culture.

“In a word, we may reasonably hope for the virtual abolition of education when “I’m as good as you” has fully had its way. All incentives to learn and all penalties for not learning will vanish.The few who might want to learn will be prevented; who are they to overtop their fellows? And anyway the teachers–or should I say, nurses?–will be far too busy reassuring the dunces and patting them on the back to waste any time on real teaching. We shall no longer have to plan and toil to spread imperturbable conceit and incurable ignorance among men. The little vermin themselves will do it for us.”…-(C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters)

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“It does not matter how small the sins are provided that their cumulative effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into the Nothing. Murder is no better than cards if cards can do the trick. Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one–the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts.”…-(C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters)

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Hear hear… Lewis saw so much happening in his time and extrapolated it to where we are today.

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I agree, the education system needs to be re-thought from the ground up. For example I can’t fail a student without a buttload of paperwork, documentation, interventions, etc… so the consequence is that nobody gets an F and I have stopped caring about grades because they are utterly worthless and do not reflect anything. I will probably be leaving public schools in the next year if not sooner. I’m over the diversity, equity and inclusion crap… I’m over the school board ignoring uncomfortable truths… I’m over the standardized testing… I’m over the most mind numbingly stupidest people you can imagine running the school system… I tell all my friends with bright kids, that sending them to public school is a mistake.

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I hear that yyyyy… I quit college teaching for very similar reasons, and the DUMBEST students - and I mean, truly, colossally stupid and dumb - were the education majors, and those getting teaching certificates.

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What do you mean by “interventions,” that is if a student fails your course someone is going to try to intervene and give a passing grade to someone who is clearly a failure?

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lol… but also sad and true…

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Sagan’s quotation reads like prophecy fulfilled… which only goes to show that the catastrophic consequences of policy decisions taken decades ago were utterly predictable. To me, that means the consequences we see today were intentionally brought about. The train wreck that is contemporary America is the result of malice aforethought and/or malign neglect.

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Yes, it was a long game…Lewis and others saw it clearly even then… Still, it must come to a head or else it cannot be cured…

… from the 13th Century on … a long game indeed … beginning with the besting of Scotism by Occamism Nominalism has ruled the day. With Nominalism one has, at best, half an Ontology. If one is trying to make sense of the Cosmos (and Self) with only half an Ontology … well look at what 700 years (give or take) of this effort have produced and where this effort has led. Yes, a Demon-Haunted World, not of demons of the kind spun out of the religious imagination, but of those spun out from various and sundry Worldviews based on the (supposedly) absolute presupposition that laws and universals are MERE products of the human mind.

C.S. Peirce thought Nominalism as “the most blinding of all theories”, a “protest against the only kind of thinking that has ever advanced human culture”, as “deadly poisoning to any living reasoning”, a “disgraceful habitude”, a “philistine line of thought”, involving “monstrous’ doctrines” that are “defended by mostly superficial men” who “do not reason logically about anything”. Of Nominalism Peirce says, “it is of all the philosophies the most inadequate, and perhaps the most superficial, one is tempted to say the silliest possible”. It (Nominalism) “and all its ways are devices of the Devil, if Devil there be”. Gee Mr. Peirce tell us what you really think of Nominalism.

Maybe one should stop wasting valuable time, effort, and energy on the “interesting stories” of the “childish things” of Zurvanism (think Ahriman and the Eighth Sphere) and work on, as Monty Python would say, “something completely different”.

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LOL!
those poor home-schooled ones. what a pity…

Interventions would be meeting with the parents, offering tutoring, sitting down 1 on 1 with the students, contacting the parent for every missing assignment and documenting it, meeting with the principal and IEP teacher if applicable, offering alternate assignments and coming up with a plan to get the assignments in… It is just pure stupidity and I don’t have the time or interest to do it, so those students get a 60 every quarter. The teachers who go through all those hoops, never see any real results. And it’s not going to get better. Before covid, in my county, teachers had to have a 3.0 or higher on their college degree… It’s so bad now that they have lowered it to a 2.0, because they can’t find anyone to do it. It is a sorry state of affairs.

David I had a furry this year… It was a first. Basically she was a girl who wore cat ears everyday and identified as a cat. Some days she had a tail. And the extra female teachers bathroom was used for our ONE middle school student who was a cross dresser.

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She had a litter tray I assume…not a conventional toilet of course, and hopefully you fed her “Cat food”(Forcefully) :point_left:

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Well if the parent or parents don’t seem to care if their children are educated and don’t do their part, how can the administration force the children to learn? Look at Chicago…,

I always thought that Scotus’s Formalism was in direct opposition of Occam Nominalism.
None the less, nice to see that somebody finally notices, that devoting any time to Ahriman and Eighth Sphere is useless and right where “the one that does not pass any opportunity” wants us to be.