Just a stream of consciousness this morning…
I was thinking about Bach, and Escher!
Can we say the following apply?
1.) The discovery of a universal concept or structure.
2.) The demonstration of mastering understanding of a concept via transmutation.
3.) The creation of new high art by way of playfulness thus leading to new discovery.
The cycle repeats…
… do not forget to include Kurt Friedrich Gödel
Would you like to expand on your thinking?
What inspired your “stream of consciousness”?
Having to endure low art traits in the modern world, as “high art” has been relentlessly eroded, replaced and fragmented by mundane tinkerings worldwide, just like natural living ecosystems are being replaced by artificial, dead, non-living matter?
Reading the book to which Scarmodge alluded?
Wishful, nostalgic thinking of what life could be like if people thought about the likes of Bach and Escher?
All that is just a harmonic of the code creating the great simulation we live in. There can be beauty in the code. Fibonacci sequences present in ammonite shells etc.
I guess only to say, I think I was struck by their use of the ‘code’ to actually be able to see the matrix as it were, and then to use it as a canvas?
I am having enough trouble even getting a glimpse with Bach and Escher, Gödel I cant even fathom.
It seems to me like they were able to rotate the geometry to the angle where everything looks like a recursive infinite loop, a kind of multidimensional illusion?
In fairness you soon get lost even thinking about it, well I do anyway.
Well, you definitely created an intriguing place to ponder with that stream of consciousness… Thanks.
I just found this video, seems to show a weird illusion where an object looks different when reflected and rotated.
And could be a total red herring but isnt that what Hari Seldon is doing with the prime radiant in Foundation?
That is interesting thinking, Shadownet, that a brilliant mind is able to (detect and?) use “code” to see and use the matrix as a canvas.
I wander through this realm with only very minute and partial vision, as I’ve not yet fully grasped the genius within people, not being an artist or genius myself.
I had tried to read that book many years ago, and didn’t have the physics background to fully appreciate the depth of the ideas. And, at the time, (being a nature lover), I also had an uncomfortable impression that many natural phenomenae seemed to have been thought of as being a “code” of some sort. To me, once something is thought of in terms of “code”, that then cancels out “individuality” (something that can’t be codified). This part of the sciences somehow bothered me. And I suppose that yes, if one thinks of something as a “code”, without any individuality, then it is possible to rotate it into whatever one likes, or even transmute it into something else altogether.
It is fascinating, though, to contemplate what these artists were doing, perhaps possibly even extracting their “codes” for their artistry from the spiritual realm… through extra-sensory perceptions… (as I’m convinced that we have more senses than we’ve been told, that lie dormant in many of us).
BTW: Your description of “recursive infinite loop, a kind of multidimensional illusion” also brought to surface some memories of gazing through kaleidoscopes as a kid!!!
Same here, I suppose things like the Mandelbrot set are just manifestations of a mathematical sequence that becomes recognisable via looping, so the periodicity of the sequence is really the trigger that breaks the spell of illusion.
If you are in the middle of the period how can you recognise it is looping?
[Just having a read, the set is fractal so loop is not really correct here but its a recognisable sequence creating new detail as it plays out like a transcendental sequence.]
Have you any way of detecting whether that “illusion” could be AI-generated?
i.e., that we’re seeing a “fabrication” instead of an “illusion”?
Not really, maybe our minds are hard wired to accept the illusion?
… see the film Waking Life. It is a pretty good run at answering the question you are asking.
For a moment there i thought oh yeah, I sort of get it, and then realised I really have no idea what planet Bach was from.
How could he attempt to describe a duality between heaven and earth with the knowledge of his era?
Divine intervention?