Take a train, or a ship, but not the injections

An 8th shot? It is beyond incredible how dumbed-down some of the sheep have become. My wife and I ‘knew’ from the moment the whole Covid Crap started that ‘things’ would lead to a true Orwellian Nightmare. Betcha a dime to a dollar the vast majority of those in the medical community are happy for the increased business coming their way.

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U.S. already talking about how to distribute its’ version of inhalable.

And if all of the above were not enough…

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They’re LTAO at us and I don’t blame them…
We’re just unbelievably stupid!

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Not all of us of course, but there are far too many who have been ‘dumbed down’, and who have had their common sense educated out of their brains. We have cats at our homestead who are smarter, more intelligent, and above all suspicious of certain types of folks who try to ‘trick’, or ‘dazzle’ other people with their medical degrees.

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I believe Delta told their pilots if they would pay a couple of hundred dollars a month for extra insurance costs they could avoid the shot. Many had already taken the jab though.

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‘Political correctness’ is now more important than public safety, it seems… and wasn’t Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg a PC hire?

… Hmmmmm. isn’t that similar to mobsters asking for protection money?

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Yup, I think it would qualify under RICO… but I’m not a lawyer. But I suspect you’re right.

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For decades I flew in relationship to work and family. In 2011 I was on a flight out of Billings that should never have taken off in the conditions, but I thought the airlines must know what they were doing. During that flight I promised myself never to fly again.

I;ve been in the same situation June. never again!

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I know people that fly strictly busines class where they previous did economy, due to bad air!
Reading all this I am glad I have to count pennies for bus and or train fares. Not saying I have never flown, maybe twice, then again I am not much of a globetrot.

Logic please …

There are some pretty smart people on this site so I am asking for their assistance.

Please read the following quote from an article on the recent Alaska airlines incident and explain the distinction made between flying over water v. over land and please do so in the manner as prescribed by Denzel, “… as if I’m a six year old.”

“In an interview with ABC News on Jan. 7, NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy said Alaska pilots had reported a pressurization alert on that plane three times between Dec. 7 and Jan. 4, but it was determined to be benign. According to Homendy, Alaska ran maintenance tests and put the plane back in service, but issued a restriction for the plane to not fly over water to Hawaii. The plane had been in operation since Oct. 31, federal records show.”

… I don’t know which is the more egregious … the distinction or the fact that the 3 pressurization alerts were written off as benign. I’m pretty sure that the “pressurization problem” just might spread from the door to other parts of the aircraft. Whomever is describing such an event as “benign” might want to look up the meaning of the word.

An observation from my brilliant better half … When discussing this incident with her she remarked that it was interesting that the 2 seats nearest the door were unoccupied and wondered if the Wayback Machine could be used to see if the diagram of the plane seating that one uses to choose seats could be accessed to see if the airline had “blacked out” those two seats so that they would not be occupied.

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Well, as there is no other way to fly to Hawaii than over water, I am assuming that they mean no over ocean flights as there are no options for emergency landings in case of a major malfunction. Any length of time flown to the midway point to Hawaii, is the minimum time it would take to get back to an alternate landing strip in case of emergency. As much as I enjoy flying, I would not board a plane with those restrictions as it is an admission that they have little confidence in the ability of the plane to make it to it’s destination without a problem.

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Idiot light to check pressure goes off three times? Maintenance checks to make sure the sensor is not malfunctioning so replace with a new one.
That’s about all they can do to address the problem except check for structural integrity on a new plane?
What is the process to validate pressure integrity on a plane? Taking a plane out of service that is new and not generating revenue? Who’s going to authorize such a decision? Solution, fly with caution in mind.
Seats by the emergency doors have extra leg room and are reserved for a premium upgrade or at additional cost. Maybe the seats were shown as not available upon the expectation they would be used to upgrade a request or as a perk, but weren’t on this flight.
My vehicles’ have sensors with idiot lights to check tire pressure. The weather can cause false readings or a sensor goes bad and the light stays on…

I had not heard this, but I am not surprised. I used to joke with my students, back when I was teaching, that if “education” continued as it was for a few more years, then in a few years elevators and airplanes would start plummeting to the ground… and here we are. What happens when engineering projects this complex “cut corners”? Galloping Gertie, that’s what happens.

… to both Steven and Bill …

from AOPA

“An aircraft that is flyable is not necessarily airworthy.” I realize that AOPA is concerned with small civil aircraft, one would imagine that the FAA commercial requirements are very similar for those applying to small civil craft … but on steroids.

I am hoping someone who either has or has access to someone with industry knowledge might present an argument giving the criteria that enables the distinction between airworthiness over land v. airworthiness over water to be made.

It also might be interesting to speak with Alaska Air’s Risk Management folks. If one considers the cost of a class action legal suit over the loss of an entire aircraft crew, passengers, damage on the ground caused should the plane come down in a populated area (and in this case including the loss of a brand new aircraft) would be less than grounding the one aircraft until the situation with the pressure alarms is fully understood. A few more things that might occur that would cause revenue loss: the FAA could ground the entire Alaska Air fleet over maintenance and safety concerns, require an audit of their maintenance and safety records, potential passengers reading the quote included in the previous post might choose another carrier … one could go on with this list.

One wonders if there are similar management problems within Alaska Air that were present at NASA in 1986. We should also remember that subsequent investigation showed that the Morton Thiokol Engineers were opposed to launching the Challenger but were overruled by person or persons unknown to this day. I also wonder if someone(s) at Alaska Air recommended keeping this aircraft on the ground but were also overruled.

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The traffic controller is managing a Cherokee (small and slow) student doing touch and goes (practice landing and take-off), a twin-Cessna, and another airplane also doing practice approaches. This means she is at a small airport with landing strips that accommodate this traffic- not a major commercial airport. I used to fly into San Antonio which has military aircraft zooming by and I was in a sport-airplane, weighing 800 lbs without fuel or load, so when they said turn, drop 100’ in elevation, or whatever, you did it. The air traffic controller is the boss because they see it all on a screen and trying to avoid a mishap.

Your focus on risk management and assessment are I think the critical issue… in an culture that, as you’ve often pointed out, is nominalistic and trending to outright nihilism, realistic risk assessment is increasingly “problematical”, and in my opinion that’s being optimistic. And incidentally, my mention of Galloping Gertie here was not just happenstance. When the original plans were made known to some engineers, some predicted its failure within a year, and, of course, they were correct.

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… maybe a big problem here is in fact an “ejumakachunal” problem … the meaning and proper use of the word “benign”. :slight_smile: