… The Priestly Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) says it plans to move forward with the consecrations on July 1. The SSPX exclusively celebrates the Traditional Latin Mass and has taken issue with certain reforms in the Second Vatican Council.
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Can’t blame them at all… There is a fairly large community of them just west of Topeka, KS in a little town called St. Mary’s.
I do enjoy a good schism, better than reality TV offerings. The sorting of the wheat from the chaffe.
… Well Boys and Girls can you say Apostasy? Good, I knew you could. (Mister Rogers)
… one might even look to Matthew for a possible description …
31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
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It strikes me that this “dust up” concerning TLM might be one more modern outcome from what was described by Juergen Habermas in The Legitimation Crisis (1973) and by Max Weber in Politics as A Vocation (1919). Some folks have been thinking about the fallout from a legitimation crisis for quite some time.
After Epstein, How Can ‘Authorities’ Maintain Legitimacy? - American Thinker
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I think there’s a LOT to comment your observation. If anything, it is much deeper than just a crisis of legitimization.
… Agreed! … but I thought we could at least start the conversation there. 
I understand… it’s a good topic and long overdue. Just imagine, an intelligent discussion of what constitutes the markers of legitimacy in specific contexts, and what does not.
… anytime you’re ready.
It seems like a tailor made topic for vidchats and one which we’ve been more or less dancing around for some time.
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… this is a very difficult issue to address currently. It doesn’t strike me that either Weber or Habermas would have as one of their presuppositions for argument that the “trust molecule” * toward institutions of all kinds would be so close to near 0. I have thought on more than one occasion what minimal “trust molecule” level might be required to even have a basis for such a discussion.
- “trust molecule” - used by Annie Jacobsen in a passage from her book The Pentagon’s Brain: An Uncensored History of DARPA where she mentioned that in one of her conversations with someone at DARPA one of DARPA’s biggest concerns was maintaining high levels of the trust molecule in The Social Machine. “Social Machine” - here understood to be as used in Robopaths: People As Machine by Lewis Yablonsky
Good point… but perhaps one can nevertheless resort to an attorney’s approach and construct an analysis arguendo so to speak.
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Hello Dr. Farrell,
May I please have your email address? Thank you.
… “The Cardinal stated orally that, while it would be possible to engage in dialogue about the Council, its texts could not be corrected,” the communiqué explained. -
— So, we will talk, and talk and talk but the decision has already been made that the discussion will result in NO CHANGE. No changes will be made based on the discussion. So, now tell me again why we are even bothering with having a discussion? Do they not think at all about what they are saying?
Cardinal Fernández tells SSPX superior that Vatican II documents ‘cannot be corrected’ - LifeSite
The problem is, if I may speak frankly, Rome’s/the Vatican’s/the Papacy’s implicit and tacit view that a council convened by a representative body of bishops of the whole Church, especially one called by and ratified by the Pope, is ipso facto possessed of plenary infallibility. It’s the same view eccelesiastically as the Supreme Court being infallible because it is final. Unfortunately this once again ignores church history, where there were plenty of councils that declared themselves to be “ecumenical” (the so-called Robbers’ Synod for example), that were later overthrown. There’s really no magical formula when it gets right down to it, and popes who were excommunicated for heresy (Honorius I by the 6th council). The problem with there being no magical formula means one just has to do the nitty gritty dirty work of argumentation and documentation from tradition, or what a lawyer would call stare decesis. No one wants to do that, so the churches are in the same mess for the same reasons every other institution is. (heavy sigh)
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… so which group could lay greater claim to continuing The Magisterium of the Church?