An ApoloGiza to JPF

Music
#4

is it safe to say sabeanism consumed You all in various ways [1][1] but when the same is interwoven philosophically in classical or modern popular music surely will storm the psyche if the observer becomes medium [2] still we are luckily we are not all Graceless and at least in every place there are pure unpoluted hearths so we would evade sodomah&gomorah fate, are we!?, have we tempted even the innocent childrens hearts, or if cosmic nuclear radiation (what we prefer first) blast us they will get lucky to escape and Save Their Souls, but how we to sos ourselves then!?, yeah lets dance and enjoy the show coz maybe this is last time that we will sense joy and peace, either way we are heading to gehenna so lets destroy ourselves as more as possible, or!?, vivaldi will suit our suffering with the esoteric instrument like “a special kind of twelve stringed viola called the viola d’amore” (the viola of love) [2][2][2] if indeed esoteric instruments evolved through his surrounding and expanded “harmonia mundi” i.e. “musica mundana”. hm, “these viols were all tuned in thirds, or fourths, instead of fifths, as our modern strings now tune.” [2][2][2] “it is thought that trough the process of ‘entrainment’ or sympathetic ‘resonance’ (i.e. during meditation) certain frequencies of the esoteric scale might assist in the elevation of human consciousness, and/or the tuning of the human psycho-physical organism to other planes of awareness. this possibility is suggested by the esoteric theory that the structure of our universe, at a very fundamental level, is based on the number seven and forty-nine” [2][2][2] and all this allusions that coz this or that vivaldi was flirting with neopaganism is almost wrong if he know that he’ve reached to level of apprentice priest, altho he did refuse to become priest, surely was obligated as tied to particular mecenas yet refused, ask urself why [2][2][2] so do vatican did best to suppress whatever kinky echo, probably!?, coz he made many sacral except secular pieces on top had have unique label “the red priest”!, 50/50 would be in this case, assuming if he left this world in peace today “his” music would heal hearts i.e. how much repentance one need so would evade evil fate, hm the touch of the most sensual fairies cant be seen as evil fingerprint, or!?, 24/7/365 did indeed he composed his music, or it was one huge orchestra where normally all were participating!?, hm, cant say for sure I am not seer! [2][2][2]

Star Music - The ancient idea of cosmic music as a philosophical paradox
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Table of contents
1. Introduction: the paradox of ‘star music’ …4
Star music - Cosmic music - Silent music - Reflexivity - Consciousness - Musicking - Relevance - Unfolding
2. The Pythagorean roots …15
Pythagorean philosophy - Harmonics - Pythagorean philosophy of number - Harmonia - Soul and sky - Musical healing - Archytas and Plato - The Pythagorean roots
3. Plato’s musical creation …38
*Plato the Pythagorean - Timaeus - The soul of the world - Re-reading the Timaeus - Time *
- The human soul - The Chôra - The Good - Music - Plato’s musical creation
4. The musical cosmos of antiquity …54
Greek and Roman music - Iamblichus’ theurgic music - Macrocosm - As above, so below - The ascent to heavenly harmony - Poimandres - The revival of Pythagoreanism - Nicomachus - Aristides Quitilianus - Ptolemy - Tone Zodiac - Plotinus - Theurgy - Boethius
5. Medieval heavenly harmony …71
Theophany - The Renaissance of the twelfth century - Plainchant - Hildegard of Bingen - Polyphony
6. The musica mundana of the Italian Renaissance …78
The new man - The new artist - The new music - The new tuning - Platonism reborn -The singing philosopher - Planetary music - A new sun - Janus
7. The absolute music of the Romantic era …94
A new universe - Absolute Music - A new paradigm - Modernism - Nietzsche’s premature birth - Scriabin - The esoteric echo -Tavener and the sacred
8. The rediscovery of the world soul …110
*The music of earth and sea and sky - Cosmic Consciousness - Out of your head - Opening *
the doors of perception - Pan returns - Towards new music - A mysterious new universe - The soul of the world
9. Pythagoras for the New Age …127
The future of the past - Pythagoras the avatar - Nothing new - Old is new - Pop star music - One flash of light, but no smoking pistol - Sweet surrender - Holism: all and everything - Non-dualism - The mother of sound - New Age Star Music
10. Conclusion …145
Reference list …150
Appendix 1: Literature review …164
Appendix 2: Creative projects …166
https://www.academia.edu/35078706/Star_Music_The_ancient_idea_of_cosmic_music_as_a_philosophical_paradox

On Education (past current future)
On Physics (past current future)
On Physics (past current future)
#5

Historically, practical applications of sympathetic resonance are usually found in instruments with sympathetic strings, in part because the successful reproduction of this phenomenon depends on
systems that can generate sustained and high-energy vibrations like those produced by bowing. There is a reference to such an instrument in Francis Bacon’s 1627 Sylva Sylvarum; or, A Natural History in Ten Centuries: “It was devised, that a viol should have a lay of wire-strings
below, as close to the belly as a lute; and then the strings of guts mounted upon a bridge, as in ordinary viols; to the end that by this means the upper strings strucken should make the lower resound by sympathy, and so make the music the better; which, if it be to purpose, then sympathy worketh as well by report of sound, as by motion.”2 Although skeptical about the actual functionality of such a
device, Bacon is probably describing a precursor of the viola d’amore, a type of unfretted viola with a flat back and sloping shoulders that became popular between the end of the seventeenth century and the beginning of the eighteenth. Two versions of the same instrument are
known, with or without sympathetic strings. In the latter case, the viola d’amore usually has six or seven bowed strings running along the fingerboard, as in a regular viola, and six or seven resonating strings running beneath the fingerboard and through holes in the bridge. The resonating strings prolong the sound’s decay time, producing a silvery and soft halo. Leopold Mozart famously remarks that the instrument sounds “especially lovely in the stillness of the evening.”3 Antonio Vivaldi wrote extensively for the viola d’amore, especially for the female music ensembles of the Ospedale della Pietà in Venice, including a particularly evocative concerto for lute, viola d’amore, and muted strings (RV 540). He himself played a six-string version of the instrument.
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The Stoics did not limit the principle of sympatheia to familiar organisms. They conceived of the whole cosmos as an organism unified by all-pervasive pneuma in a state of tension, and they put the principle of sympatheia to various uses on the cosmic scale. They used it, for example, to explain the connection between the moon and the tides, the change of seasons, and the efficacy of so-called occult phenomena, such as divination (see SVF 2.441, 446, 475, 1013). Sympatheia as a cosmic principle thus exemplifies the tendency of ancient Greek thinkers to explain events in the physical world and the cosmos as a whole on the model of an organism.
The Stoic notion of sympatheia depends on their view of the unity of the soul. Each ordinary organism is of course animated by its particular soul. So is the whole cosmos. The individual souls enjoy a relative unity and coherence but ultimately they are just parts of the great
World-Soul. [1][1]

must be noted that the occult’renaissance’hype was so huge that even some popes had have own astrologers [1][1] what points to real infiltration of neopaganism mids the western european realm, surely what was most pronounced through the secular arts and sciences, an metastasized hype that eventually lead to alchemic and rosicrucian standardization that spilled till final blow to royalism with republicanism and secured path for total substitution of Christianity with covert secular neopagan lobotomy to all!

The links between music and astrology are far from unknown; Tomlinson’s study is but one of several to examine music in the life and work of Marsilio Ficino, and a number of scholars have examined the astrological implications of the depiction of music in the visual sphere [1][1]

Stepping into the Renaissance, we begin with the patriarch of ffteenth century Neoplatonism, Marsilio Ficino (1433–1499). The constructive use of the vis imaginativa was integral to Ficino’s praxis.56 Indeed, Ficino’s use of
the imaginative faculty was not purely receptive, as is evidenced by the fact that his principal method of invocating planetary intelligences relied heavily on active visualization done in tandem with—but potentially in the absence of—a variety of physical stimuli. … D.P. Walker notes that Ficino would apply the forces of the imagination—alongside appropriate words and music—both in the manufacture and use of planetary amulets.59 Ficino specifically notes that the active use of the imagination is the key factor in the use of telestic images, and that when it came to the use of such talismans—or of medicine—that the imaginatively empowered belief in the medicine’s efficacy was vital to its efficacy … [1][1]

its interesting that humanism coz side kick of the mechanistic cosmology got to extent divorced from the occult enlightenment era worship of nature, intentionally or not, drop by drop what to me looks like spin so christian masses would follow rather murky projection of interpretation of the obvious agenda know only to the most devoted adepts of alchemic’arcana’knowhow and like that as christians mids fog to contribute with their will indirectly or directly submitting themselves to “their” trials&errors till reaching some neopagan ideal for apotheosis!, am I too paranoid, hm, hope not paranoid android, how more and more covertly we are all put under transhumanist empiricism for peak&choose or later mass experimenting with divergents till its standardized some kind of “theirs” superhumanity!, hm, do “they” already eg. p&c through soc.nets like fakebook or already there is rolled t&e skim through frequency surgeries, synthetic’telepathy’training comes to mind where F’s are instantly overlaid on top given favorite song video or speech once shared on the wall, yep too good to be true right, is it possible nowadays to exist sophisticated composers [1][1] and from my humble experience maybe its not so problematic for those that are continually fencing themselves with Grace, but why wasting in vain own calmness except if its not coz particular feat!?, hm, is discourse or xenforo alike eforum platforms in the same bin (beam), ! cant say for sure, maybe someone noticed difference between reading from projected or mirrored screen (fordham experiment) [2] and/or listening from oldskul and newskul computer speakers (sonogenetic experiments)!?

some approval of this kind of observation regards humanism can be seen from the next few quotes, where also can be found hint, where the modern not just classical western music is/was heading … bubble bubble how much can get inflated til burst!?, if the vibrations exponentially rise as much souls are dragged in it!?

From the start sympathy is also a tool in divination (see the chapters by Brouwer or Emilsson). … While “sympathy” does appear (with related concepts like harmony, natural friendship, pity, etc.) in Plato and Aristotle, it tends to be identified as originating in Stoic thought (see René Brouwer’s chapter) in the
western, philosophical tradition. It was also taken up and developed in nontrivial ways by Plotinus (Emilsson), Pliny, Vitrivius, and Galen (Holmes’s reflection), among others. A use for the concept was rediscovered in the Renaissance and promoted not so much as one might expect, by the most famous Platonizing philosopher, Marsilio Ficino,
but by Erasmus and, especially, Girolamo Fracastoro (see Ann Moyer’s chapter). The concept does useful work in Shakespeare (Skwire’s Reflection) and musicology (Gerbino’s Reflection). Even though, as Moyer argues in chapter 3, in Fracastoro’s account of sympathy, sympathy itself had a properly atomistic explanation, the concept was banished by Descartes and lumped in with the to-be-discarded occult (see, especially, Descartes’s Principles of Philosophy 4.187). [1][1]

One problem is that the pre-modern history of sympathy is still shrouded in considerable mystery. The new philosophers of the first half of the seventeenth century banished sympathy as an occult quality, to be ignored in the new sciences based on the size, shape, and motion. … Even though sympathy did not disappear from Early Modern medical and alchemical research, its role in cosmic and metaphysical reflection was fairly limited since. (Leibniz worried about Newton’s action at a distance as a new form of sympathy, but the new mathematical physics remained an inhospitable place for sympathy.) It has been little noticed that Spinoza revived a ‘naturalistic’ version of sympathy that influenced Mandeville, Rousseau, and (perhaps indirectly) the moral sense theorists of the eighteenth century. From Hume to Darwin sympathy played a central role in British and French moral philosophy (especially relevant to early Feminism in De Grouchy and Wollstonecraft), but by the final decades of the nineteenth century it appears to have become irrelevant to the rising tide of Kantian, Utilitarian, and Eugenicist theorists [1]

On Physics (past current future)
Philosophical Assumptions
#6

eh, modern musical theory as is existing. but coz unburdened from neopagan projecting, its like lost muse in the depts of the occult ocean!, hermes would say why at all apollo needed lyre and one gave to orpheus!?, here aristotle is correct that see the last one as myth instead person [1] I’ll say archetype of the vibration of the sun is daylight for those that live in the world and through such clarity to come to knowledge for art and science, simply ancient people when speaking in riddles and analogies made their life more joyful and the knowhow easier to be passed down the stream [2] yet as always interpretations would differ and such dissonance will eventually sprout eg. step aside from monotheism towards dualism, when what is balance in this world as harmony to become idol of dualistic understanding or worshiping, what eventually became pagan and neopagan fallacy of understanding of and for the Truth … even more problematic is when by syncretization of various interpretations is built one unified (universalist) worship theory like freemasons or later theosophs project its truthful, not that “they” dont have some if not plenty of correct puzzles, but in the end when “they” will complete the big picture what “they” have is theory of chaos instead theory of everything!, and can imagine how all that started through scholastics on the european catholic universities as various isms [3-7] what finally was upgraded by occultism on the secular alchemic universities like those in bologna padua pisa venice(Dyrrhachium) [3-3] and all the rest european nests of esotery up until the basel box as kind of hidden magisterium lab [3-6] where probably was laid particular harmonious n’w’o ideal to be chased in new forms after the failed or the obsolete one of freemasonry i.e. theosophy (mine interpretation) … here is some ontopic pagan projecting of “theirs” towards eating pyta on goras while listening music!

The lyre is the symbol par excellence of the harmonious union of cosmic forces. It represents, with its basic seven strings, an underlying numerical harmony of the universe echoed by the seven planetary spheres. Pythagoras taught that at the centre of all Unity was the source of harmony, the Logos which is no number. But the world was called forth by sound or harmony and constructed
according to musical proportion. He believed that the distance between the moon and the earth was one tone; between the moon and Mercury, one-half tone; thence to Venus, one-half tone; Venus to the sun, one and one-half tones; the sun to Mars, one tone; thence to Jupiter, one-half tone; Jupiter to Saturn, one-half tone; and thence one tone to the zodiac. Philolaus of Tarentum, speaking of this later, pointed out the evidence for these harmonic relationships in what the soul could recognize through the senses in human activities, technical productions and especially through music. Both cosmic and microcosmic aspects of harmony are suggested by the etymological roots of the word. … That harmonic order could be supremely demonstrated with the lyre was a very old belief among the peoples of the Mediterranean world. In teaching of cosmogony and cosmology based upon harmonic relationships, Pythagoras used the lyre. If numbers were the constituents of reality, then string lengths arranged in a pattern of twelve, nine, eight and six gave the intervals of the fourth, fifth and octave, with
consonants as the framework of scale derived from arithmetic and harmonic means between two quantities in the ratio of two to one. The strings of the lyre were thus the audible and visible manifestation of numbers as lengths as well as differences in tension and so forth. Tone or pitch was thus an expression of number, and consonance of multiple and super-particular ratios, all of which were related to and demonstrated by the tuning and playing of the lyre. Such abstract and fundamental concepts of harmonia lent themselves well to cosmic as well as political and musical interpretations. The idea of a certain order expressive of the correct harmonia was discussed by Plato (Laws) in terms of cultic song as well as political order, both of which he referred to as nomos. Governance believed to reflect a higher divine order had been symbolized by the mastery of the lyre among the Sumerians, who placed the instrument in the tombs of their kings long before the time of Pythagoras and Plato. But it was the Greeks who gave the idea the most explicit philosophical expression and raised the lyre to the level of divine symbolism. [1][1]

btw plato preferred lyre instead flute coz on rocky hill he cannot graze sheep pastures, hm maybe had have prob with unskilled craftsmen, or maybe didnt knew that the vibration whether from wind or string is all the same, an vibration!, and back then there more problematic was probably the way how the muses were mixed eg. music with poetry would bring trance alike state far faster, thus nowadays many are also widely trapped coz have interpretators of particular energy fractals in their pockets as one dull heading would claim “Music Magick: It’s All About Intention & Energy” [4] instead as earlier in history so would get experienced need to be total brutal "Self-Accompanied Singer as Ideal Musician" i.e. “Orpheus as one of the ‘first Pelasgian composers, singers and selfaccompanists combined in one” [5] but what about the teacher, could apollo mistaken the curriculum :slight_smile: possible only when moon eclipses the sun!, eg. once neoplatonists use wrong interpretations the failure is certain “Pietro Bembo believed that the power of well-wrought poetic and rhetorical speech arose from an "occult force … residing in each word.” [6] interpreting the Logos as occult energy, dont wonder why all their knowhow is in grrrrrr mode [7] instead needed to grasp the true essence behind The Word Logos [8] altho the same is also misinterpreted even by the quacademics, as I can see by projecting compatibility between incompatible [9] i.e. we can chase compatibility between Logos Ethos and Pathos in this world, or Mythos Thumos and Aidos [10] but probably coz decadent haircut thus PietroB got lost in space!, hm, some nice share of friend of mine, but with wrong noctural modality of latin enchanting, would be the next opera alike vibe of Emma Chaplin where only lack orgiastic dance mids the island of lesbos with samotrakian boots [11]

#7

plato could be less wrong in this century, coz grazing on/of sheep pastures nowadays comes usually in skunk version :safety_vest: accompanied by transhumanistic transtemporal vibe usually, where hermes chronos and hades are sound engineers compositors and interpreters like in the next loop, somehow as semple’remix&alien’cover this track gives extra notion how was earlier in history for someone and how more and more will be for many, whether jabbed or not!

not sure how mashup with EmmaS would come up, but today to be disko jay harlequin would be more precisely hard, than earlier to be acrobalance instrumentalist i.e. to catch a harmonious balance with hands than program plugins!

#8

Your posts are ENTIRELY too long, and PLEASE. Also try to use standard English diction. Remember that the Forum is NOT your private website.

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#9

@vardas3 sorry for my improvised lexical approach, first I am more focused on the researching of the topic, then also with constant F drops by the local quislings of euroatlantic determinists, so its as it is … hope this is my last post on this topic, that guess can turn handy for many …

theologically speaking in Christianity we know there cant be harmony in this world outside The Church, and not harmony in dualistic sense of the meaning how neopagans understand the word as balance between good and evil, where their projections allude to heaven’on’earth as eternal utopia, in context of this topic through music as medium!, hm, midi-um more likely in these mechanistic times!, those who are insightful into the crescendo of modern instruments could also recognize the Virus synthesizer, as if indeed we need all to be reprogrammed by “their” logic (and as “they” believe functions our reality) so would get compatible with “their” utopian hype, even by music, except by agitprop neurolinguistic brainwashing, but we already sense that the occult is also present as TomH claims mids “their” cultural scientific and political lobotomy of the masses [1][1]

now, why I see reggae as somehow appealing opposition to the spirit’of’this’world is the patient repetitive tact and above all the firm message with Babylon Falling narrative, knowing that Words are the very live ologocized engram of freedom against everything that is sold to us from/by the global’cabal’pyramid and “their” neopagan will!, also the instrumental reggae music can be from help too, especially if it catches the ear smoothly!, but knowing that we are coming and going from this world just with the Voice as vocal instrument, thus the beat can be sensed solely just from the hearth, while the singing push ups for staying sane if not getting free and alive!, yet knowing that as already stuck in the mud, for the modern people there is need for cushioning of their habits for diving in the pleasures of this world, so I dont mind as bumper or lifebuoy for the reggae vibe to be used even classical westeuropean mood in the background … altho even the instrumental reggae vibe by itself can provoke remembrance for the reggae lightmotive as freedom sound i.e. even there are no words around, just like in the afterparty DUB genre splash, stil the awakening blooms without stop … hm, in context I’ve found some strange analogy of AU on reggae basis but with strava connotation in its label, on top accompanied by Calcite Video Point, what meaningful glues to my miniralized stable currency logic [2]

#10

must reapologize to all, taste is taste, habits also habits, so be careful how what You read, coz smooth music cant make You sick instantly, unless You are sick and by the way You are consuming can imprint overindulgence tll choking of the soul!, yet not all meals are heavy for everyone i.e. dont lust on them but just swallow, eg. when one sees foreign movie do You get the message or do You enjoy in fullness the vibe, so its same with music especially when we are certain that the composer or those who interpret it had have good mindset, familiar meal with preferred juices, tho that dont means something spooky cant crawl mids the fingers if not beneath the feather!, but fence Yourself with Grace and there will be no damage!, unless get hooked on particular feel terrible vibe, coz all the rest feel good vibes as I’ve said if one dont swallow them total brutal with all their intentions behind them, surely will not get choked but taste bit and spit it (forgot it), hm, can we lust on love and sound + wine and joint, surely the spin then asks for dancing … welcome to the jungle, where experiments blossom by magnitude of sea waves!, still I’ll prefer funk tuning as ex-ghetto boy [1][1][1] lucky get hooked off from the jazz metal transhumanist witchcraft [2] tho as instrument I cant hide the joy form the flow of Marimba, we need just Roy Ayers and Manu Dibango to applaud from side [3]

#11

must admit I am too poor to enter the members area of GDS and not aware whats going with Doc there, but maybe here someone will give emphasis of some points on his last ontopic webinar [1] eh if there were many Docs here on the eForum or in the Vidchat there so we would would se clash of similar or different opinions on the same mater theories or ideas, now with one I really lack second third fourth etc opinions, alone same composition interpreted by different musician has different vibe, sometimes with minimum effort someone could explain things better than whole series of books, in the end what counts tho is whether like that we will pass to the next level, or we are stubborn enough to tilt in circles till something becomes law, so to see right after that the same laks many axioms that we supposed will fit in place by default once some theory reach own provable praxis!, anyway here are some before and after identical compositions, so dont be naive and project from sleeve what is what when listened for the first time or had have listened somehow earlier, yep right production has own merit in the process of clarity, thats why people shoot documentaries over and over again even on some known topic altho the same theory and praxis is already exhausted!

hm, can we say nowadays all this topic could be projected to other music genres eg. jazz or how later throughout sampling some vibe could be reprojected (homeopathy comes to mind)[2] do we really believe that everything is circumstantial on this world and we took for granted what other say!?

#12

yep as exist something its existing somewhere … now mids my snowy landscape with remembrance that when I am fenced by Grace whether directly or indirectly (through own or Prayer of others, ideally both) most beautiful winter music is the classical jingle bells let it snow alike, where the western classics metamorphose in something uniquely beautiful for every Child or grownup Soul, isnt!?, so per’se I dont despise anyhow like some OC zealot the enlightened harmonics, lucky to enjoy it, tho dont fell in trance too, but enjoy its moods like when universe is talking to U “are U gonna go my way” to what normally I’ll say wait a minute I need to find my Christmas Prayer Rope so would evade whatever traps when seating in some amphitheater waiting on the Man as My friend to hit the Orchestras Xylophone … yes I do go from time to time on classical concerts when get invitation, or do lean and fly when my friends are practicing at home, or smiling when some cord hit me in a bus ride …

eh I really liked my past urban jungle adventures, when I despised classics only from frustration why in my birthplace noone is neatly balanced with the local ethno classicism (macedonian traditional music), but mostly by turbo rearrangements of it, in which case I’ll better prefer local western classical crossovers eg. on theme Angels … so let Angels guide You this Christmas wherever You are … hm, do Pray for that too … music therapy think is still not part of the mainstream psychiatry or [1] can we wait thus till 7th of Jan, or already now we can greet all, coz here many are sledding on the new calendar, so yes we can … Merry Christmas to all from the western rite Plenty Awakening and Love for Salvation to follow You so would not get lost in these times of despondency, be creative share some Prayers to us the orthodox coz we tend to forget that still fasting (when someone do) and need to be quiet instead like this typing on GDS :smiley: my name is Nikola … Our Almighty Lord to Bless all especially the bombed Children the sick the forgotten and lost, Happy Holidays to all …

#13

with L went listening to V once in Palace of the Macedonian Army on his graduation concert, and what to say I was impressed by his virtuous precisionism on Marimba, normally had have Xylophone too etc. perk instruments … tho I’ve met him as drummer of Young Gods later professionally employing 13/8 from sleeve what earlier was please what should I take when I was giving him ideas while he was reversing in the garages beneath my office from where few or many (cant remember) were pulling also electricity what K and My Father had have arrange it … but past is past and till this day havent entered another philharmonic concert!, simply as I’ve said in the evaporated reggae thread so I would enjoy the show I’ll need to wear enlightenment era outfit and that by all means for me is personal trendy heresy!, maybe if its allowed to enter in bermuda and slippers, or masked like djamalarious clown [1] coz indeed its word for a show, and mids such one need on various ways to cast away the evil spirits from the tunes if not else … imagine one can stroll down among musicians and interpret the compositions in own performance of roasted and bottled food&wine from the peculiar instruments left for djamalar selfimprovision, possible if Charli Chaplin was director of DomNaARM, or maybe is but still not aware :smiley: military intelligence would seat in toilet so the vibe would not escape through the most shared urban system and enter the oval offices of some buildings [2]

#14

You know on west pantomimic mood is more present, as pantomimicians vs clowns, coz there among the Laos casting evil spirits goes on mute, as if were hesychastic Monks, but indeed the silence is golden mean for survival, hm, but go survive with neopagan loudspeakers all around, thus if cant in OC way then try some indian chanting and dancing in some modern way at hand like waving with pvc gadgets … imagine in it You have chance to tweak ideals by fluids [1]

On Education (past current future)
#15

I do admire your fascination with physics and esoterism, but I cannot understand what it is you are attempting to convey.

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#16

nothing special, I am just channelizing excess of time and enrgy through forum blogging!, as JPF said this is not Your personal page, but how to check my assumptions theories and knowhow if dont explore particular topic!?, and normally waiting someone to correct me if it have different opinion than mine!

interestingly, who can it be now, the most useful way of communication, fakebook chitchat, blogspot mediuming or eforum blogging!?, think all have own perspective for knowledge shareware, but just eforums bring all that together in one as e-squares for public e-debate, still people here tend to forgot how it was to be supportive coz it should be team work after all, still I don mind coz for me even like this in monologues mode its more than fun … shame I am still on my cracked windows … ubuntu would come nice for a change … “I am because we are” [1]

Books not often or seldom read(ed)?
#17

~ [1] The composer and the cosmonaut – Jarrett House North [1][1][1]

#18

is there more energy in one instrument or in whole orchestra?, think those who listen can never find as those who play!, the problem with orchestras is their constant need for synchronization and tuning, add to that bailey choreography and it make no sense to me why so much fuzz except for eventual New Years festive but as open air performance for all city residence …

easteuropean psilocybin rulz as composition for all seasons ideally placed mids fractal architecture and feel good sunny or snowy landscapes [1][1][1]

#19

ee-composers had have peculiar affinities to folklore, but I still cant relate to their tonalities as untypical ethno instruments and symphonic orchestras, somehow these classics looks like far distant vibe for me eg. like dvoraks no.9 danced out in k-pop style [1][1][2][2] aside that many of them as themes are invocation of the pagan myths, usually aegean mythology, but also local one too, eg. from all famous composers [3] what I most liked is griegs fairytale about Peer Gynt [4]

#20

somehow coz European’Classical’Music since renaissance onwards is awakening of the pagan eros, till the enlightenment era and the societal crescendo of republicanism, altho I dont like to narrow composers on national but regional vibe, still it cant be avoided the notion that all of them are remembered by the place of birth!, what altho has own bioresonant vibe, yet defacto all the rest vibes as environmental influence or educational experience and/or spiritual stamina shapes the person at large, thus ridiculous to possessively label someone eg. as macedonian unless he indeed had have such affiliation!, in this case to me distant as the norwegian edward grieg, yet as neighboring compatriot I am not sure whether George Cavadia was macedonian aromanian or macedonian slav or maybe macedonian greek!?, eventually his parents settled in the wlachian Braila where he built his musical knowhow … [1][1][1] so to speak how various pieces or symphonies were played by various national interpreters, defacto E’C’M was unifying flag for all!, but knowing that high culture give extra emphasis on origins eg. how european culture is resting on greek one, altho fallacy (coz its history about the aegean civilization and not greek culture per’se (they were phoenician copycats)) still for many in the e’c’m world possessity rulz even nowadays, despite the fact that what is ethno is authentic local vibe, while the e’c’m hype an turbofolk one, at best an reinvented neopagan classical mood!, bachs fugas comes to mind etc. etc., so saying that “their” harmony is ultra’unique’key is like saying turbofolk nowadays is something ultra’unique’style, hm, surely it is in its own way, but that that is something True To The Hearth yeah maybe through trans lusts, coz it cant wake up someone for Salvation towards higher realms, at least not all as community, but mostly to separate them at large till all dont reach fine tuned standardization of something that is fashion craze, when!?, I mean ok beautiful melodies or rare virtuosos maestros or voices to be respected, but fracking all e’c’m to be labeled as musica universalis cmon that would be like raping of the multiculti psyche of the masses with classical monoculturalism with all its kitsch’e’ray (kitsch heaven) [2] at least to me it is as it is!, lucky didnt got addicted to its fallacies and only perceived it as feel good vibe that exist among all the rest genres of music!, but to bow to it, yeah even if I was thrown on pyre would not!

this dont means I hate e’c’m, nor hate e’c’m-ers, but just wonder why all the fuzz of academic musicians solely with that hype!?, somehow smells on n’w’o cultural glue which in context of religious universalism and technocratic utopianism needs to be secured also by musical utopian vibes by euroatlantic blueprint, isnt!? [3][3] project that was evolving since renaissance from pax’romana to pax’universalis till these days as neopagan agenda for overthrowing Christianity through various means and in the end secured some kind of european neopagan heaven’on’earth!, so for me as Christian diving in e’c’m would be also treachery!, normally if I am falling in trans states due to excessive choking with e’c’m vibes, yeah go later reset such addiction easily!, maybe as recovery album then could help Blessed Are The Sick from Morbid Angel!?, at least mix it with classical pieces so would be easier for listening!, dont worry that would sound something like the western (jesuit) spill in the russian lands that drop by drop brought new turbo localism as nation, on the go reinventing new turbo folklore, but also haterate against own cuzins while trans alike worship for own true enslavers, I mean becoming monsters comes in different ways, but also the choice is valid as free will whether one want to become pagan neopagan or stay Christian!

#21

the reality is that nowadays Youth will accept to listen to classics only if they are under punishment!, count me in this category too when as Kid would be sentenced to my room without tv and just radio on which in 80’s titoslavia [1] classics were main dish on the menu!, maybe thats why such buried resignation about in my hearth!?, definitely no, simply as very young was straight aware about the neopagan niche, and surrounded by Traditional Music and Orthodox Christianity simply couldnt resonate with it fulheartedly, but I find very amazing whatever classical crossover with modern musical genres, and that would be also appealing for students in secondary education where balanced approach like this would be ace [2] while so would learn something more regards music as creative Art learning process, it should be introduced in the primary education curriculum where vast amount of subjects could be learned through collaborative musical styles, in the process also by learning various instruments, instead having just some basic experience of instruments and musicizing, usually from the music class with toy xylophones and harmonicas and/or mandolins … I went even on part’time musical section, but coz too poor to get mandolin, I went with my souvenir balalaika, finally we needed to drag our instruments with us, instead the school to have free for all, and normally I’ve drop out quickly, yep public school You guess correctly!

the same could be said regards the traditional music as ethno mixed approach, while the e’c’m as harmonics esperanto could be also incorporated in such ethno glitches which sound pretty good [3] wanted or not I dont see other way Kids to get at least somehow educated about eg. rhapsodies or other classical genres, coz indeed the current trends are bit empty or at best shallow regards history of music if not else [4] but even then (if many get buzzed) still the variations will be issue [5][5][6][6] even more when someone will need to chase opera knowhow [7][7] and how earlier quacking was typical for the swOns [7] yeah go catch the sympathy around the 7th minute in the past footnote!, or maybe good learning variable would be repackaging of old pieces [8][8] and like that greater interest for e’c’m!?

also music for film could be good motivation, but who to reinvent the curriculum accordingly!?, as I am parroting for that ideally would be every school or district to have constant eForum debate if the law allows decentralized tweaking of the methodologies of tutoring and experimenting for greater acceptance of the material … some interesting holiday movies along that could get You thinking would be mexican [[u]9] and avalon [10] finally a.i. would act like jukebox show in future and remixing whatever classics someone would click on wiki [11] the question is would like that anyone get experienced through gains without pains!?

at last local epic tails could be motivation too [12] but also superstitious one [13] normally historic loops also [14] finally education should be long lasting experience so composers should think in various versions of same piece so would leave greater impact, if not else in traditional style for kids in etho crossover for middleagers and classical version for elder, or vice versa!, like that awaking continual emphasis on some important messages or quotes that could uplift the spirit of the listener pointing to the life cycle and the need for focus towards next level higher realms where one cant enter if dont calm down own fears so would escape the gravity of this world with easy flow … and probably if this becomes schooling trend anyhow, surely many will mix political vibe too, what also could prove useful but ideally as sampling in arias [15] but think musical or opera blockbusters like the 2019 adaptation of the chinese legend about the white dragon would be most remembered [[u]16][16]-[16][16] nice vfx atmosphere lack only more vivid plant colors [17] but the tale for my taste is bit slimy, waiting to see when modern western neopagan mythology will show itself in similar manner [18-333]

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#22

Usually when posting on a forum, that is, an area made for discussion, you post something to provoke questioning, thought and conversation. You don’t plop ramblings one after the other.
It is disrespectful , and the only reason I am replying to you is to ask you why you feel you couldn’t blog on your own computer instead of in a public forum?

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#23

Respect!, I’ve said to myself this would be my last row of posts, for me this next week should be silent, due to OC Nativity Feast, yet marphy rulz on west :slight_smile: and me as guest there, it woudlnt be polite not to respond …

its called forum blogging!, in essence exploring some topic, while waiting others to catch in and share some own thoughts, what can happen after year or so … the very point of this e-tool is exactly that, maybe someone will refute some logic, others will surely analyze, etc., unless what matters is piling thread after thread for every separate post, doable but if there are dedicated subforums eg. solely about esotericism in western classical music, if we tend clarity and viewability to be case!, some etool inbetween soc.nets and eforums is discord platform, maybe there I’ll navigate more loosely with my points, but opening blog would be debacle for me simply coz I am not expert on the topics I am tackling, but need exactly someone to challenge my reasoning, thus I am rolling as I roll … now probably I am annoying how stroll alone, but until I dont brake particular forum rule, and I am not sentenced or suspended and/or banned by the administrator or the moderators, dont see why I should move elsewhere …

btw, sorry for my moralizing, but You could open some ontopic thread instead to hijack this one!, if want to respond its better to quote this post and we can continue chitchatting there … HNY my coforummer :smiley:

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