Sounds like a microcosm of western culture which is not surprising given their roots. I have zero tolerance for creative writing turned scripture. At best I think they tapped into some truths around how we respond to frequency on a holistic level. The whole Xenu story is laughable.
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Scientology says nothing about frequency. they are not holistic in any way. not even slightly. They teach kids in their scientology school to look up their own special dictionary of what scilon language is, word by word, they teach them to model clay stuff to represent cult practices. These brainwashed kids were the lucky ones, the rest were corraled like baby goats into a room together with one untrained teenage cultie to look after them, no supplies, no diapers, food, nothing. Children are separated from parents as soon as possible - those that are in the Sea Org which is their church committed workers,. Hubbard teaches that children are exactly the same as adults, so treat them that way, including punishments. They mercilessly and relentlessly mentally attack their members with their frequent auditing sessions which is like being questioned by trained mental torturers to elicit confessions from innocent people. They use the e-meter as a bastardized and primitive version of biofeedback to elicit a slight buzz effect on people to trick them into thinking they are making “progress up the ladder” which is how they trick them into more and more classes. They make people sit and stare at each other in hours long staring contests.
Do not give any credit where it is not due. Scientology is a honestly completely worthless melange of cult schtick - it preys on the vulnerable, the lonely and the young. They don’t get much in the way of new membership anymore but it doesn’t matter as they have so much money they’ve pirated out of people they can just sit on real estate holdings and their tax free status and run themselves like a business. They have contributed nothing to humanity in any meaningful form except perhaps a lesson on not being a dupe to a ruthless predatory organization. The people that thrive in Scientology are ruthless type A personalities interested in material life and fantastical sci fi scenarios they sometimes believe they lived before. Most of their top people try to escape, some of them get imprisoned like Miscavage’s wife - she’s most likely kept in one of those bunker compounds with the gold records stored underground - hardly a use of funds to help humanity in any way.
https://tonyortega.org/ this place has all the awful details of every aspect of this malodorous cult.
Cubana bonita. (Guessing)
Nice goin’ DJ!
I don’t think “Daniel M Robillard” is dating Olivia…
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Oh well, what do I know.
Too bad…
She makes “Gigi the Grift” look rather plain I’d say… and she’s got some warmth, but I’m obviously biased…
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Not a fan of Flim-Flam Gi at all. They bash the daylights out of her in the comments during her ‘interviews’.
Olivia reminds me of The Stones song, “Girl With Far Away Eyes”.
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DJ reminds me of ACDC song but can’t remember which one…
The Cynic in me is rather worried as to why both DJ and Olivia are taken in by her (possibly just Naivety) … She simply regurgitates vague elements of various tropes, and often quickly mirrors back what has just been said… I’m wholly unconvinced by her, down to my bones…
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“Back in Black”, obviously…
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Okay, that’ll work…Sort of.
“I don’t think “Daniel M Robillard” is dating Olivia…”
@David8pies DJ is not dating Olivia. He has another girlfriend, now ex I think but stiil friends that shows up at times in chat. I’m not going to say her name because that’s up to her to talk about, not me.
There is no way to know that Daily Motion vid supposedly of Olivia is legit, it doesn’t sound like her at all to me. She clearly values her privacy and I’m sure she hopes the public will too.
Finally, that’s not Daniel’s last name, is it? Unless you have some evidence it is, he publishes all his work under Liszt. If that’s a pen name provide your sourcing, thx.
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My experience is that Gigi is not bashed in comments under her interviews at all - in fact she’s kind of untouchable from what I’ve seen. She’s not just repeating vague tropes, she is doing a pretty good job of bringing Steiner’s concepts into understandable language. If you are not on Steiner’s wavelength, you won’t get much out of watching her. I think she does good work at what she set out to do, whether you accept everything Steiner says or not. The only problem I have with her is her partner, and he doesn’t matter as long as you aren’t paying to be in their community.
Hey Justa-
Did any of the project camelot folks ever mention actually being scientologists as far as you remember?
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I and my sister went to a Steiner (Waldorf School)-" Elmfield" in Stourbridge, and a close family friend started another which is now an academy… I’m familiar with his concepts, whereas Gigi, I believe, is simply adopting them… There’s something truly “Off” about her…
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ok, that’s interesting. You are far more exposed to Steiner then than I am.
But Gigi doesn’t claim the concepts are her own - she presents Steiner (supposedly) in a conversational format - at least that’s what I’ve always understood she was doing. She probably doesn’t refer back to Steiner’s original material or credit him every episode though.
“Scientology says nothing about frequency. they are not holistic in any way. not even slightly.”
Open to interpretation of course, they do seem to have quite a clear reference to a tone system and something that resembles a transverse wave with harmonics refering to the eight dynamics of life.
As far as giving them credit, I’m not sure where you are getting that idea from.
It’s really not open to interpretation. The hard solid evidence about the fakey religion called Scientology has long been in - for decades now. The things you are referring to are just cult mumbo jumbo. Hubbard wrote most of Scientology wacked out of his head on drugs typing and throwing papers around the room - he was not inspired, or in a revelatory mindset, he was just crazy. He abused his son, frequently humiliating him in front of others, until he committed suicide. He abandoned his wife and small children with no support, had barely-teen little girls given to him to take to sea, who he used as Messengers, servants and who knows what else on his freaky “Sea Captain” trip where people wore fake navy uniforms and Hubbard lied his way from port to port, thinking he was safe from the paranoia induced goblins he always saw chasing him. No great philosophy or secrets on how to live a good life ever dripped from his bloody pen, or crept from the crypt of his organization built on human suffering, revenge, malice, mind control, slavery, compulsive lying and ultimate selfishness. L Ron Hubbard was a con man.
Let’s not forget he was a somewhat adept Satanist and worked with Jack Parsons to do a Crowley spell and incarnate a “moon child” abomination, before he ripped off Parsons and betrayed his friend by stealing his boat and running off with his girlfriend. Hubbard visited Robert Heinlein before meeting Parsons, and was likely still a intelligence puppet at that time, as Heinlein was an asset of the OSS. Conman, spy, cheat, thief, manipulator and parasitic spiritual vampire, Hubbard has nothing of any redeeming value that he left behind as a legacy.
True to form, the only dynamics in the cult that matter are to make the cult money or work for it like a slave, which also makes them money. Everything else is a kind of frosting to fool people into buying books and classes which all lead to a big fat nothing - at the very best, wasted time, money and energy.
Some people feel they lost their lives to Scientology, fooled by its “feel good” fakery mumbo jumbo.
To really illustrate Hubbard’s cynical spiritual warfare on his followers, he had Sea Org members literally sign “Billion Year Contracts” which meant people agreed to sell their soul to him in life after life of repeated slavery and, probably, rice and beans. What madman comes up with this, and tries to impose it on people who come seeking healing and a better life? If Hubbard happened to slip in an Eastern wisdom tradition scrap or two, it was not delivered with any foundation or holistic way - it was thrown in a blender with whatever madness caught his lastest fancy and turned into spiritual mush for the infantilized minds of seekers he captivated with his charisma - apparently he at least had that quality that most cult leaders share. Read the accounts of high level ex Scientologists who were true believers. They will testify that Scientology is a totally bankrupt system of top down control with no theology, no ethics, no science no physics, no metaphysics, and no value whatsoever.
https://tonyortega.org/leah-reminis-podcast-scientology-and-fair-game/
https://podimo.com/en/shows/surviving-scientology-radioutm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=NZ
Books by survivors: Going Clear and The Prison of Belief, Blown for Good, A Billion Years - My Escape, Ruthless: Scientology and My Son Miscavage, it just goes on and on and on and on…
So, no, it’s not open to interpretation anymore. There is no virtue in being a muddled middle-of-the-road apologist for a predatory mind control cult. It is okay to identify abject evil, and we do that here on this site every day.
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I politely disagree, and I think if it were completely devoid of any concepts albeit borrowed from much older eastern philosophy it would never have gotten off the ground.
The trouble with taking an extreme point of view is that you paint yourself into a corner and end up with an emotional defense of a position based on the inability to control said position when new data arrises.
I’m not a scientologist or ufoolagist, just someone with five minutes, a computer and an internet connection.
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