You Could Call It "Modern Art"

I found this somewhat intriguing as someone is going to call this “art” while I liken it to three-dimensional geometry. I love the image, but there is the debate between craft and art that comes into play here.

Have at it.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MGnjEI6PzYc

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Yep its mainly spirograph in essence, so agree it’s craft. Considering it as art is demeaning and devalues actual art.

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somewhere between art and craft lies a kind of “dimensionality”, a liminality, which somehow transcends both. Think of the singer not the song vs the song vs the singer. Do not get hung up on the technique

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Pollock eat ya heart an out!

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An art instructor in college down graded me because I argued modern art was not art since beauty was not to be found.

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Would that liminality mean both a dimension where art and craft comprise a hybrid entity and also a liminality dimension where they are neither?

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Of course. It seems that the division between art and craft lies in the space in which an interpretation is being made. I am a ceramic artist. I can make a plate that can be used, an article of function, or I can make an object that can perhaps look like a “plate” but can never be used as such because of the design. It seems that what is important here lies in the perception of the viewer and/or user.
If the question is one of technique, there is the possibility that one is getting hung up on the idea of HOW something is done. I am not sure how much that plays into the idea of the art.
I guess I see. art as a kind of two way street — the “umph” the individual puts into the work and the effect one gets out of it.

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That’s a swell way of looking at something someone creates that didn’t exist before and leaves beauty in eyes of the beholder. Fair enough.

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Your mention of it reminded me of this video that popped up on my feed some months ago.
This Toy Carved The Nicest Table I’ve Ever Made.

For me, this is most certainly art and most certainly craft.

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This is where I step in and say that while that table is AWESOME, it is craft. As a landscape architect, much of my work could have been described as craft but there were elements, like my use of perennials to paint the gardens I designed ensuring an intriguing palette from first bloom in spring to the last fruits in the fall. I have been a pen and ink artist since junior high school, dabbled in water color with my grandmother who was an artist, and later taught drawing at the University of Georgia. When I worked in an office out of Westport, CT (I was designing a 60 acre Greenwich estate) and the engineers with whom I coordinated my designs hired me to render all their perspective drawing proposals. I am pretty much pre-CAD and everything is still free-hand, ala the beaux arts method that I learned in France in graduate school. Once the light bulb went off, I realized I could draw anything - and that includes geometric/isometric drawings, like these. I see the technical layout for perspective drawing as craft. What you do with that drawing can, in fact, become art.

One of my closest LA friends from Palm Beach had a MFA in art (painting and pottery) and I helped him with the technical engineering understanding when we studied for our Florida licenses. That was 45 years ago. We have never stopped discussing the difference between art and craft… and I doubt this will change it.

Thanks for the responses. It is exactly what I meant by: “have at it”.

OH, and like Dr. Farrell, I TOTALLY reject half of the modern bull manure as being art. It is is communist fraud like everything else that they do. Once we all realize that we are about frequency, we will see that the classical music and art, and anything derived from it that uses similar frequencies, will forever be viewed as art: visual and auditory.

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