eTOS whats the point of having debate!?

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#1

for any lost coz late, around the acronym eTOS, it stands for electronicTrueOpenSociety meaning direct democracy approach [1-14][1][1] through debate tool like eforums, that once would be used on societal level, at least like mandatory e’tool for thematic 24/7 open ngo debate, if not else will bring fast denoising defogging deicing of any social or political hype, aside delicious public narrative for all, even more, if to the idea is approached with some clever concepts like 3in1 or similar type of gradation coz greater clarity, eg. forum blogging in such shear debate environment its not useful, so whatever other good eforum practice should be standardized, eg by footnotes shared blog posts from elsewhere, on by personal blog option on the same forum profile etc. alike combination on the same need for deeper elaboration of own position in given debate, i.e. how mids eg. 100 experts will flow smooth ping pong if all start to stretch some debate wide and long in given thread, maybe having option to expand the post in new personal side thread as adjunct to the OP thread, and like that not to choke the main flow with various digressions or own heavy math!?, practically even small rant can bring someone to question his participation somewhere, and that hm its 50/50 useful on behalf of all, thus if there is no moderation, or moderators fell asleep, such bumps can produce short circuits if not else, actually the motivation for this thread was one such that provoked separate thread about, from where are taken the next two quotes, tho coz the eTOS footnotes in context of this thread, ordered upside down …

if You are somehow bored while reading long text, coz whatever reason, but also for smoother ride, You can put some ytp as background [2][3]

  • practically eTOS by itself sounds promising, but once we put in the math risks of wrong crowd management, or hacker attacks, and psyop infiltration, then suddenly the feat becomes more than we’ve expected, so indeed need to be rolled societal hype about, instead like now to be left on spontaneous willingness of some ngo party or faculty to engage such etool coz own ideological or structural strengthening, simply its task that asks for various technical but also creative tweaks so would be reached massive usefulness from such wide open and continual public debate, as g.a.i. claims that in no time such society will experience growth even till 400% ha didnt waste time to ask how it came to such percentage, coz for me even 50 percent effectiveness is wow, tho what matters its not whether some society through eTOS will reach greater progress, but would it secure greater compactness, so in hard times would be willing to help not just itself but others too …
#2

now regards the need of debate, we can say the same in case of societies, comes from the logic about Man existing like zoon’politikon … altho not as humanists choked by darwinian reductionism interpret it i.e. animal’man [1][1] but as Man bound to metaphysics, where zoo is projecting life instead beastly animal, just like zography dont means animal’painting but life’graphics [2] tho coz for atheists metaphysics is obsolete thus interpret Aristotle in quite narrowly stupid manner [3][3] when suddenly, if so, its useless to have direct democracy, coz like that if anyhow are challenged the elites could emerge chaos, solely they are the’philosopher’kings in their republic, yeah coz only by such elitism can be reached d’plutocratic’tyranny which we experience nowadays, on top waiting to evolve as such in ultimate by technocratic&transhumanist means an total open tyranny of scientific dictatorship > which’ rests on given neopagan inertia >> which’ brought such n’w’o evolution >>> which’ seeks to suspend our free will coz rests on given atlantean determinism [4][5] yeah across both side of the north part of the atlantic ocean, democracy as always was just bait for stirring revolution, while in essence its just inter’factional european’black’nobility quarrel [6][6-9][6]

anyway, if we tend to enact true direct participatory democracy #, in sense as Soulful Mankind that needs to reach wider clarity and some if not total golden mean [7] and or realism as centrism in politics [7] # then we need to push for eTOS in such way so all intellectual capacity of some society would be welcomed to help somehow the system, if not else being active check&balance to its administration [8][8] what probably its kind enough explained in this last 8th footnote, tho far from indepth academic measurement so would be taken as final idea, for what foremost we would need first fast shear debate locally if we want such eTOS momentum to be pushed by all parties day after eventual emergence, instead to be suspended or forgotten by the next governmental rotation that didnt brought it as own project, simply it needs to be joint effort instead partisan voting bait, in which style end up all huge societal changes, coz there are many that would seek such emergence to evaporate as soon as possible, so without wide political support, at best such eTOS stunt would end up in partially driven momentum by one side of the local political spectrum, altho if there is will even as such would bring space for whatever thematic public debate, yep useful even then, but far from the potential of clash of pro and counter opinions …

here need to accent try for a moment dont see me as some sorosoid, I am disgusted by such, eg. regularly pointing to “deir” colored coups and agitprop skims [9-7][9-2]~[9][9] so by no means eTOS is some poop of his’open’society!, it has E and T in front of it, probably its enough so would point difference, while in same would suggest how through eforum platforms can be reached effectiveness in opening some society …

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#3

this link above to the MassAI thread, looks maybe bit scary for some, like why we would need eTOS when a.i. is here, and either 1. will manage us, or 2. it could hack us, so whatever eTOS would be futile waste of time, guess such claims will popup!?, hm, 1., if are seen the hijack risks, from whatever semiauto or autopilot mode regards blackbox infiltration [1][1] then logically a.i. should not be allowed to manage us anyhow!!!, here we can assume also existence of eschatological risks [2] thus having whatever loosen societal approach towards a.i. would be like allowing ourselves asteroid to hit us, coz indeed such inertia will welcome reset from above!, then 2. evading whatever hacking or infiltration, should go by closed LAN to MAN ring network topology, where all those outside the country of eTOS origin would end up just in reading mode till the problem is resolved …

  • now most interesting ontopic points that can be seen from all my past g.a.i. interaction, can be found in two sessions, go there ctrl+f > eTOS the first one from post #78 with download there [3-21] plus recent online upload from it [3] and the second one from post #80 [4] along recent online snap [4] where cant say how correct is such percentage logic for betterment of some society, but as I’ve said earlier even 50% boost of societal effectiveness would mean secured survival risk management, if not else …

now, regards, whatever fear from biocomputers, think that as Christians who are Baptized Blessed and Live Consecrated Life, simply cant be reached such engagement by the Holy Spirit by no other biological form of life, unless that is allowed from Above … thus in dominantly Orthodox Christian 70% and Muslim 30% state like Macedonia even as traditional believers through cleverly managed eTOS will be evaded certain hijack that will be norm for the rest if keep tilting further in globalist luciferian mode!, tho how things are rolling now even here that will be case, tho hope righteousness and goodness will bring Christian Hope that we can and will evade such evil hijack fate!

#4

hm, lets see is it possible the global soc.nets to reach bubble blast, surely, eventually substituted by its local nodes, or by local soc.nets, so eventual a.i. bot manipulation would be evaded [1][1] ideally emerging local eTOS momentum will remove whatever a.i. flood or spamming hype, and whole focus to enf up in right place, imagine where could be tackled whatever AFT exploration than on some local thematic ngo eforum [2][3] otherwise go tilt again and again in “deir” tiltarium [4]

#5

just to note, my earlier reasoning on the topic, comes coz had have experience as in ngo so as on thematic eforum like build.mk where somewhat not so loud pointed to the need every ngo to have eforum if want greater volunteer pool except transparency hype …

[1] http://www.build.mk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=429&PN=5

actually, even ~30 years ago when I was secretary of ecological ngo Opstanok (Survival) from Skopye, was thinking about eforum stretching coz almost there were no young members in the ngo, then still soc.nets were scarcity while eforum prevalent hype, tho coz given political infiltration from all sides, it was oldest citizen ngo in Macedonia, I simply gave up and left, tho was kept secretary for a while on blind, not sure why … anyway, I am certain if then I didnt fall on the political’hijack’pressure and Opstanok got eForum, first whatever infiltration would have been exposed in one or another way coz all members could have chance to talk publicly aloud, while in same time the ngo would had have attracted extra public attention in time!, tho my life and career would had have been different for sure, and now probably would not have posting on GDS …

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if its seen soc,net share, indeed then they were scarcity [1][1] some to which I was hooked in '90s was Mirc [2][2] an predecessor to Discord nowadays [3][3] when I’ll drop in internEtCaffe so would say Hi to the worlD, predominantly coz internet was expensive, while home pc was something like tetris clicks … hm, wonder why would microsOft be ready to pay 10bil. for discOrd ownership, its not just hijacking the gaming industry chat platform, hm!?, as if there is need some whitenoise lobotomy to be shared there as subliminal hijack, as I suppose now is case with fakebook [4][5][6][6][6] yeah in this last footnote in the first 2nd quoted one says “"we took those signals and we gave it to an animal that was stupid,” Geoff Ling said at a DARPA event in 2015—meaning that researchers took the neural-firing patterns encoding the memory of how to perform the more complex task, recorded from the brains of the more educated rats, and transferred those patterns into the brains of the less educated rats—“and that stupid animal got it."” [2] You think You are not so lucky experimental group on fakebook alike in hands of globalists social networks!?, think twice, and be honest to Yourself, how much time needs so junkie would admit he is junkie!?, actually why it became!

  • indeed, “someone” has incentive to keep You piled in one ePlace, where debate would be in haiku style, thus noDebate in effect as consequence, only idea blips or kinky rants, plus all that 15 minutes attention lock of Your brain focus, i.e. secured brain fog, and it only needs as g.a.i. says some consciousness harvest by some a.i. to swept Your free will, in the next footnote go ctrl+f > shorts [7][7-7][7] and voila, even dont want to You’ve became except open book also shear claviature (brain keyboard) so “someone” to play with You as it needs like or please!!!, Check Your Head, before again sense that You are trained there to skip whatever debate, lusting only for who will own the story in less is more way!, at all, next level would be no reading mode, but just synthetic telepathy borg alike aligning, we’are’borg would sound nowadays we’are’fakebook in some reachable time!

eh, were is that time when I’ve first jump around 2005 in fakebook, when anyone could sneak peak freely in others profiles, thus it was obvious its voyaeristic skim, aside that it wasnt overcrowded and just for fun observed global joint, now thats not anymore case, it became like monster swallowing all from citizens till corporations even whole global plutocracy dive in, twarter obviously after DonaldT expulsion made its claim that its globalist nest, while fakebook did that with plandemix, so chinese tiktok some say left untouched, tho how was intentionally flooded with low level a.i. garbage probably is attractive only for Kids, while all the rest are more or less owned by “dem” or has own small share eg. bastyon or wtf alike [8][8] aside the russian vkontakte and telegram etc. alike predominantly national social networks, what actually think it should be case for all, i.e. all to have national SNs, or at least every state to ask for own soc,net node to the global one, so would be suppressed manipulations and crime and/or hatrate, with all the risks for local political misuse, if not else it would be local if happens, thus by itself with huge space for reverting, yeah go revert globalists [9] tho all that expanded with local social network where would be tied schools as adjunct to its own eTOS [10][10][10] yep that would be useful antilobotomy approach, probably more and more people are getting aware that Kids are extra exposed to hijack eg. in case of the shooting in Serbia as well elsewhere for conditioning of the local elites on obedience guess, just see the next pattern [11] hm, someone should compare political tensions to such evil push’of’button possibilities as ways for blackmail!, special warfare nowadays goes by various means!, dont think twice whether exist such monsters who will engage Kids in such killing mode, there are even “does” that make wars from fun, except from profit!, here under fun it should be assumed sacrifice!, and “such” monsters are not some ephemeral emergence [12-9][12]

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#7

that highlighted text above should be utmost huge motivation for all soberminded politicians to provide its citizens own eTOS, so would be offered risk free, public thematic debate through local ngo’s!, which now sadly exist only in such, if not else by a.i. driven chitchat on social networks, where as could be seen exist even greater training risks, which in my opinion are already rolled for inciting in such way few colored coups eg. in Turkey, or earlier the jasmin revolutions in the Middle East, so be clever, in time lay Your own debate inertia, that if not else will pull many, to engage and focus, at least for local matters, their own will and energy, through local ngo eforums, and eventually local social network …

  • here again and again need to point, this is maybe last chance for rolling Direct Democracy as power to the people momentum, again [1-111] as I know to say till there is still electricity around, so the generations after us will know that there were clever minds around, and not just by chitchat idiocracy engaged masses!, what would be opposition across the systemic inefficiency rolled behind closed doors, where usually ideas concepts and projects go strictly through close systemic valves, like that easily exposed to corruption or dullness!, hm, not that everything should be wide open, but ideas and evaluation day after should be norm, altho dont see why complex projects wouldnt be thoroughly cached even on level of concepts or projects …

whats interesting, its that such hype, if at least once is stimulated by one government, will pull many to participate in such crossover from the current global soc,nets to ngo eforums, assuming eforums became mandatory for every local ngo, for what the state university should offer some basic eforum platform and technical administration, and eventually if such reform is done above petty election points, i.e. done by shear collaboration of all parties and academia [2] then such etool will become DDT for corruption but also fascists and bolsheviks which would seek to hijack the society sooner or later!, hm, surely, on first hand, all we south opportunity to stir on small door marketing, but eventually as independent eTOS will (it should) bring DirectDemocraticTools that will eradicate selfishness and/or exceptionalism as colored factionalism, tho it will introduce new divergence of pragmatists and idealists among citizens, yet quick eforum polls and/or local eReferendums (ballots) should bring fast balance [2][2] and like that secure the system from bullying or misuse!, altho in usA or eU up until exist lobbying [3][3] citizens eventually will be played smoothly!

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some recent ontopic points popup, how important is to have own eTOS, in context of psychotronic subfield manipulation of masses [4][5] as risk on whatever foreign social networks or eforums, i.e. that that such processes can appear as result of rogue a.i. infiltration [6] eventually resulting in evil infused net servers however impossible that sounds even for me [6-45] hope people will not end up elm’street’alike with “heads hanging in the screen”, yeah while seating, what tho I am not sure will be result of the psyop war’of’the’5th’dimension [7-1] when will take the opportunity various selfreplicating machines, or indeed in question will be some subfield infiltration from another dimension [7]

this next video looks more like alarm for fast regulation of the a.i. market, altho in essence is good addition to my warning!, in time bring own local eTOS before all didnt went fuzzy in their heads!, just to have means for distraction means chance to evade whatever psychotronic hijack due to constant hook on some soc,net!

#8

regards eforums, earlier popular platforms had have more boxed space of messaging row, i.e. announced line of the blocks [1] and the modern one are more like soc,net rows [2][2][2] while for my taste would be something inbetween like elkarte (smf 2 version) with its BeSocial alike gui addons [3][3][4][4] not sure just who of the modern platforms has Post Vote plugin webwiz alike [5]

all this, eg. the logic from the first 4th footnote, suggests that for efficient debate, and debate following, there should be introduced various tweaks, eg. gui would be more inviting if there are easy shifting styles of reconnecting threads, eg. here on discourse the linked threads at the bottom of the posts, that can be expanded by some additional interactive maps, like fractal exploring by word or similarity etc. [6][6-2] which not that if dont exist whatever debate would be less attractive, but it will help all willing to learn and explore, eg. mids bulk of 10k posts to find useful relations by linked content [7][7] hm, something that can be done easily by external a.i. search tho, yet when such eforums addons and extensions are offered from start as existing, simply push the eforum from tool solely for debate, in tool for exploration too, hm, the earlier now adobized Storify had have some interesting drag&drop gui [8][8] what guess as such could be rearranged as posting form for wiki or yt exploration etc. etc. alike curation tools alike that could be integrated in the very efroum gui [8] altho as always with all the risks that go along loosen compiling if its word for some improvised team work that can be exploited in wrong way later by others [9]

#9

now, why all this bothering to elaborate such concept like eTOS in such extended manner, hm, its not something like new physics in question, or chasing explanations about reality, even not need to juggle geopolitical possibilities, yet, coz nowadays Democracy is leveled to Plutocracy, thus trying to bring as greater accent as can, around the need for such systemic, at least by mandatory ngo presence, thematic eforums!

hm, should those follow regular rhetoric, think not, even I’ll go till extremes to extend aristotles basic virtues of Rhetorics, in more loosen manner like sophists radiance, ha in this 1st foot error in the sentence with stoics, tho some stoics later were also rhetoricians [1-2][1][1] yep try focus on telos and mimesis when debating … so, for me debate should reflect by all means competition through argument winning [2] nor opportunity to drain as much as possible intellectual energy through it, altho it will [3] but foremost through it to be reached togetherness and sense of selfesteem for the community, i.e. that it has potential and clever citizens around, simply to be given free space for all not willing to follow the classical agitprop bandwagon of daily politics, but as knowledgeable all willing to participate to help out bringing more options clarity and solutions to the usually faulty one pushed behind close doors in the system …

still why not, if the society evolve till level of pure joint eTOS spectacle, to be chased even greater aristotelian ideals, but that means even since school benches students to be polished for rhetorical genuinity, what tho it would be far from reachable next level for liberal or libertarian societies, more effective in socialistic like China, but even then such momentum is impossible simply coz with wide public eTOS hype citizens will leave the monoculturalist and centralized government rule, but for sure will flourish diversity!

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