Are Greeks Phoenicians By Every or Any Means?

hm hm hm, in one interestingly informative lecture about venetians by WebsterT [1] he makes bizarre claim that venetians are byzantines i.e. “the venetians are a branch they claim of Byzantine Empire” [1][1] what altho as lecture is indeed interesting in few ways, stil coz that variable sounds like some strange unfactual observation, as we would say that greeks are phoenicians in every and by all means!, practically similar mismatch, that even became norm among mainstreamers, is the use of wrong terminology about byzant and byzantines, while they saw themselves as romei … but, yeah we can call them today even romulans, if indeed ferengi is label for jews [2][2] or iconians for macedonians [3] back to the main premise, maybe we can find some background spiritual analogy regards venetians as descendants from east, but more like spiritual hijack when venetians embraced dualism hermeticism gnosticism and whatever pagan revival that lead to the italian renaissance!, tho, that that was not per’se byzantine spirit, but expelled one from there which found nest upnorth, so, even like that cant be said that byzantines rule over all, yeah maybe thats why venetians looted Constantinople [4-666] or before that were playing it through indebting [5] finally using it for bargain with ottomans [6][6][6] or whatever from balkans as byzantine successors, all of them making belongingness to byzant and Orthodoxy by embracing its last symnbol the twoheaded eagle, tho they were usually financed by venetians or other european powers, so would be cannon fodder against ottomans eg. GeorgiaK [7] so if we see these footnotes by no means we can say Venice is successor of Constantinople, tho as I’ve pointed there is some indirect lets say aetheric flow, but that is just that, even less effective link than to say GeorgiaK is macedonian, what not just by interpretation but by documents can be tied like that, at least some of them where is mentioned even direct relation, eg. where himself GeorgiaK claim macedonian ancestry in letter to GiovanniAO [8][8][8][8] but even for such logic nowadays someone would jump and ask clean wrong nationalistic distinction, even tho as Miyak connection he is link even for modern national neighboring affiliation and common historical denominator!, thus it should be promoted by Orthodox Christian line if not else as joint historical link!, yet not just its not, but such vibe its seen as heresy for the modern nationalistic albanian mythos that dont recogonize Miyak tribe as part of its own heritage!, So, if this is problem, then what about the claim of WebsterT that the venetians were bizantines, yeah coz what exactly, nor Venice was ever diarchy, nor used koine as official language, nor had have other ties to byzant than commercial one, hm, maybe I’ve missed something, prove me wrong!, thus altho that video is very informative in various ways, yet one variable can put the lecturer in offside, coz he make such claim as he was certain by all means such hypothesis is correct!

  • yep, only in the spirit of renaissance we can say Venice and Byzantium had have linkage, hm, the expelled bogomil rush of dualism from byzant to venice [9][9][9-7] i.e. what was banned in byzantine realm ended up in Venice and Genoa, particularly the most famous hermeticum in medici hands, tho there were probably many other texts along, so as result arisen evil spirit which eventually over took even the papacy [9] after what in Pisa was actually secured the first alchemical university [10][10] so, yes, we can say from byzant spill over dualism, even earlier before its fall, when bogomils were ostracized from balkans and cross over towards Alps where became known as patereni so the venetian realm became fertile soil for such occult dualistic esoteria [11][11][11] hm, but how so that went smooth among foreigners, hm, without doubt there was some aetheric link coz even before emergence of Venice, in that realm lived people from the balkan peninsula, going far back till pelasgians, which in that part of the peninsula were known as etruscans, or if we say slavic language was pelasgian recidive [12][12][12][12] then also the place got its name by one of the slavic tribes Veneti [13][13][13] thus that ethnonym without doubt points to the later toponym Venetia, still that cant be anyhow even indirect link to Byzantium, here under indirect link I am referring to eventual total pelasgian interpretation, where the byzantine rule is continuation to the earlier macedonian imperial rule, i.e. the founder of byzant was the pelasgian Constantine that before became Christian belonged to the pelasgian heliolatric cult, which turn back the imperial rule back to pelasgian vibe, which earlier was erased by romans, i.e. Rome hijacked the glorious empire of pelasgians Makedon, when ilirians and tracians along macedonians united and went on expedition through Greece in Persia and all along till India … hm, strangely interesting, that what was restored, wasnt by erasing of the roman empire as romans did earlier with the macedonian, but it was upgrade through establishing new yet genuine antipagan Christian empire in face of “byzant” [14] yet again, even seen like that, by flipping in all sides the historical echoes of reality, still we cant bring by the logicism of WebsterT any similarity between middle age venetians and byzantines!

so, why this matters, hm, if and only if revisionistic and postrevisionistic theories are not worked out completely from every possible angle, we risk the mainstream historiography never to accept even to debate such theories, what ideally would be by eTOS standardization on some local or regional if not global level [15][15] actually we can say exactly coz such debate is nonexisting, i.e. once pop up this kind of even small wrong variables, we risk by generalization mainstreamers to reject even to consider whatever debate eg. about all the unique knowhow of JPF on the matter of VipersOfVenice [16][16][16] especially problematic would be such from sleeve throws by WebsterT when all this venetian niche would need to be explored from its templar side [16][16][16] so whatever research should be more than sharp’minded, simply coz there are many forgeries, many spinned interpretations, and many unwillingness to be accepted the truth as it is!, so Respect to JPFfor all his unique thoughtfulness!, to what I can just throw broken record of suitable mosaic reasoning, altho for analysis thrown in one breath along from sleeve derived argumentation from what is available info on net, hm, think it could come useful for any researcher [17]

Europe thousands of years ago was home to many nomadic tribes, eventually settling down in different areas and intermingling over time…no different than the tribes in the Americas. The cultures obviously weren’t the same, but humans are humans anywhere on the planet.

certainly, migrations were as always case, the question is what exactly was driving that nomadic hype!?. 1. seen from atheistic lenses solely need for new pastures, yeah as if then were wandering around 8 billion people like nowadays thus always scarcity of grass, 2. seen from theistic, cultural trends when given symbols like magnet pulled movement of whole tribes, 3. while seen from spiritual side we can discern given spirits how were pushing masses here and there, back and forth, as could be seen from the first 12th footnote and the pelasgian expedition beyond Uruk and back, points that something was pushing or calling them to make continental leaps, hm, something that we know Apollo was doing with his swans chariot visiting his winter or southern villas [1] hm, swans, so probably white’skim’speeder APollo was riding if star’wars’narrative is in question …

so, lets assume, spirits drives migrants, then is such event has specific causality!?, atheists will say strictly economic, but to risk Your life, and on top to risk future ostracism, if dont get integrated, or become criminal or hobo, i.e. dont want to learn work keep calm, then indeed such movement is pulled by some spirit enough strong to fool many to follow, maybe by seeking given ideals like liberalism many from start are aligned to such spirits, and “someone” by design misuse them as illegal migrant influx so would bring to life on small door given ChipMePlease agenda [2-11] < "**"manufactured consent"** through a crisis" just how easier would be for “dem” as technocratic elites to chip us all, without any need of debate or referendums, but just neat’manufactured’reality, after what its opened wide door for “him” to experiment with whoever wants however wants [3-3][3][3] and noone to say no to “its” a.i.'s!?

hmmm, going by land, ok understandable, but going by sea, that is indeed from despair migration!, so what made ionian greeks in bronze age to start migrate towards Attica and Sicily but also Cartagena, if we know that greeks indeed came out from the phoenician pool, what as claim if its chased by any means, at best will become kind of mocking for the modern greek national mythos, which is raised on the exceptionalist aryanistic phantasmagoria, that since ever there were pure and only pure greeks in Greece, yeah, even those residing underwater in poseidons atlantis!

anyway, greeks indeed have phoenician roots, whether as ionians, or as “balkan” mix among phoenicians and pelasgians, what in my opinion began from despair, i.e. the socalled greek dark ages were result of the pelasgian black see expedition towards south, when not that just pushed away ionians towards Mediterranean Sea, but also conquered Kemmet in the Red Sea, what as conclusion can be indirectly derived from the utmost similarity between the phoenician and greek pantheon [1][1-5] when probably some poseidonian secured mythological narrative worth following for someone by whatever allegiance or belongingness to chase it even nowadays wide and long [2-2][2-2][2-9] to what, hm, atlantean poseidonia, pardon poseidia [3][3] and isnt such sex’me’up modern euroatlantic vibe poured on every side upon every traditional tribe as modern colonization mean through debauchery, when even kids from smallest legs are stimulated on sexxx, even among ultra traditional muslim societies [4][4][4-17] so stripped from any moral guilt shame but also Grace would be more potent experimental candidate for the next X-pert level [5][5][5-5]

so are greeks those who fueled all that myth coz kept alive the solons kemetic story about Atlantis!?, hm hm hm, if one would see through the past 2 millennia, what all has moved through or stayed in Greece, will surely say no, what its easily understandable why, if we are aware that from the ancient greeks didnt survived even the language in its genuine form [6] still how greeks nowadays seek to keep their national mythos firmly in antiquity and beyond <> plus back to the future [7] so as well they are waking up given spirits, hope not so would boost some evil pre’flood’vortex, if titano and gigantomachy are indeed true flow from those exact times, i.e. if as such, are at all correct account of whatever events then [7][7][7] eg. when altho “tito” dont resembles titan, still by the anvil and hummer aetheric logic of/for language [8] given lets say “engram” of symbolic or phonetic projection even nowadays can wake up some spiritual link, sigils comes to mind [9-2-2] for which if some open door for entrance, (eg. in suitable way doable if rejects Jesus Christ), indeed that spirit could use it, at least to hook, if not to totally hijack that open Soul, so maybe tito did that by accident as thriving on this peninsula while covert freemason acting atheist!?, hm, then what did greeks with it, in such context, hm, who knows maybe by bringing national label for the state as Greece asked for their own misery through prometheus!?, which their mecenae freemasons see it as own grand’architect’lucifer!, i.e. altho we know when actually pop out the name graekos as mythological figure, still we cant say when how why exactly emerged the same label as ethnic designation [9][9][9] but its known when the same was projected as collective republic stamp!, as if in f’m’style someone was initiated in the enlightenment era, tho if so wonder why [9-2][9-9][9-9] hm, anyway, seen like this if greeks werent hellens, then that even less makes hellenes tied to phoenicians, tho in given cases its word among other for poetic influences on ethnonyms for given tribes, and vice versa, along mixing pantheons geography or retold stories, however whenever some place needed, back in the history!, simply coz same story, or tragedy, wont sell same in different place back then, tho maybe can nowadays!?, eg. my take nowadays is that pelasgians were true hellens [10][10][10] what most easily is reflected trough their helliolatric symbol Sun, that appears as among royal asyrians in middle eastern realm, so as even earlier in “balkan” peninsula, since eneolith onwards (eg. SealsOfGoverlevo), time when “greeks” still have not invaded the peninsula with their city states, and still havent mixed with the native pelasgians … hm,hm,hm, something that the current mainstream historiography would throw it in one stew, labeling the aegean civilization as greek one even tho the same logic is far from true!, (eg. as if nowadays all that listened or talk about MichaelJ are logically “americans”, yeah which north or south), and why, simply coz as such monocultural stew, it fits more smoothly to/for the current european narrative about Greece as cradle of the european civilization, i.e. there are only greeks in antiquity, all the rest are just barbarians, thus all famous knowledgeable and pretty were greeks, while the europeans neopagan drunkards overindulge “demselves” on/from that one’for’all bawl, of pagan and revived modern neopagan exceptionalism, through “deir” syncretized freemasonic religion!, altho if we just take the greek pantheon per’se as phoenician mirror, then yeah, that same stew suddenly becomes preflooded with various faulty narratives … interestingly, european freemasons were choking in the greek narrative, while northamerican freemasons in the roman one [11] probably coz the the 3 city states entaglment [12][12-3] i.e. where the european is philosophical and economical part, while the american is the bearer of the imperial one, all waiting to merge in one fine superstate that would reinstall the earlier atlantean lineage through Akkad and Phoenicia across Greece and Rome up until nowadays [13-6] isnt!?, hm, would that superstate resemble all packed in technate’city’states!?

must emphasize, altho the modern greek state its by itself secular ethnic nationalism, as all the rest mids republicanism, still for me by every means nowadays the majority of Greeks are Orthodox Christians, coz I embrace as far higher ideal the spiritual than the earthly eschaton!, altho we cant reject the need for whatever regulation of the earthly affairs, in whatever type of government or rule or collective, still to make idol from the artificial concept nation, whether in civic or ethnic manner [1][1] its wrong by all and/or any means, coz in its apex it reflects possessive selfish aryanistic monocultural mopping of everything that is different, at least till extent of ethnocide, instigated by whatever assimilation means [2][2-3][2] till level of racism and genocide if such opportunity arises [3][3] yet those that havent reached Metanoia [4] in spiritual manner, instead vertical, they drop their focus on horizontal eschatons, some alleviating egoisM (through tribalism), while some hook on materialisM (whatever political integration coz lucrative needs), and eventually everything is rounded by hedonisM (as comforting reward in our nationalistic heaven’on’earth) [5] again here nation per’se dont need to be ethnic but it can be civil constituency, as is currently Macedonia but coz it was by corrupt&lucrative trickery renamed in North Macedonia on top from ethnic getting pure citizen outfit we as contemporary macedonians felt even lower, as lower on all of those scales of ego lush lust, simply coz didnt secured none of those, while in same time the local plutocrats accepted new’experimental’facelift that should be showcase for the rest of europeans [6][6][6-2] like look it dont hurts to denounce or accept negation of Your own nation!, simply globalists have issue how to flush federalism in eU, so dont waste any opportunity for trial&error [7] anyway, rushing for local patriotism and through it healthy belongingness (without hating others while defending own) [8][8][8] its by huge extent understandable horizontal ideal!, but on the other end of the survival stick, to idealize federalist or globalist ideas concepts or entities its wow lunacy of earthly’idol’worship having in mind “does” are driven by neopagans above Christians!, carrots that mostly tilt in the heads of hijacked or blackmailed local elites [9] sadly, we are not Christocentric, and eg. reaching kind of Union of Christian States in True Orthodox Christendom, so would surpass the neopagan secular globalism, in same time reverting nationalism in patriotism, as diversity of ethnicies (cultures) in one such Union, what eventually would be logical path forward once current globalism and “deir” antichristian crescendo fade out in history, when logically Muslims will make similar joint venture in some new Islamic Caliphate, chinese too probably in Confucian manner extending on rest of Asia, along some similar Hindu reinstalment across India, so sooner or later macedonians and greeks will join forces …

  • … yet, currently, due to strong horizontal vibes, many among greeks so as among macedonians, exercise blind secular exceptionalism, which is nothing else but aryanistic vibe from the enlightenment era, tho still very alive, coz in my opinion due to ethnophyletism we became hostages in Orthodoxy to see the Orthodox Church as own in possessive manner, from this aspect its even more ridiculous whatever bickering among serbs bulgarians and macedonians who belong to same ethnic south’slavic cultural realm!, now, when such exist, probably You can imagine how cruel becomes the one between greeks and macedonians coz from different ethnic background, can You!?, idiotism, no, but divide&conquer skim, that was rolled here on this peninsula so never Christians would unite again and rise above the freemasonic infiltration by republicanism and “deir” concept nation!, hm, someone probably will object how so, to what I’ll say WakeUp try grasp that the spiritual world is background for this one, thus once sip whatever luciferian concept somewhere the same pollutes our pure Living Water, in the next footnotes go ctrl+f > ethnophyletism [10][10] So in very wrong manner many are already carried away with idolization of its own nation even through Christian perspective, with which must point we as macedonians coz among the last got hijacked by the very same luciferian spirit, we are simply far less polluted with neighboring hatrate!, and why, coz the luciferian concept nation, that instantly can be recognized as such by its end fruit, i.e. that by default its boosting hate even in 21st century against whatever different cultural group, especially when such pops up in numbers in its vicinity!, what tho its understandable survival reflex, eg. when foreigners will start enjoying what locals cant, what about if those foreigners molest the locals anyhow, even in fictive way like the european fear of muslims, which tho is result of wrong local integration and open freeway for deconstructing nationalism coz its firm obstacle to globalists towards “deir” ultimate utopia, to what tho exist always solution [11] yet to hate someone coz You need to bring exceptional national mythos, that is soul’burning’mode!, hek, as macedonian we dont negate to noone nothing, yet to us is negated by all neighbors something, only serbs left clean in the end now whe recognized our Church as Autocephalous [12] tho till yesterday they were also in the negation camp, while albanians who earlier were always supportive to macedonians, now took part as local political elites in the illegal change of the constitutional name of our beloved modern Macedonia, yeah coz choked by vast corruption its not appealing to anyone, so understandble how coz rush for nato or eU pacifier they took the globalist bait, hm, dont forget causality is challenge, so in time through eTOS debate it should be secured acknowledgement by macedonian albanians that they dont respect such unconstitutional raping!

hm, actually my aim with this thread is deconstructing such wrong trends for negating others, or slipping them whatever pejorative labels, what tho in our peninsula has bit super long tradition [13][13][13] what as could be seen is exploited even nowadays, tho what now due to the power of propaganda and population magnitude on top the need for tourist marketing psyop, acquire wrongly possessive character that cemented instant hater hype!, topped by social media lobotomy, eventually polluting all hearts around, even those that dont want to take part in the same dissing inertia there, practically there is no eTOS public debate vibe even locally what about among neighbors, at least not on academic level, and usually in defensive [14][14] or attacking mode [15][15] as if the right to call myself Macedonian comes from antiquity, its simply stems from a toponym!, but yeah, privileges would be granted only if ancient macedonians spoke slavic right, hm, their ancestors ancient pelasgians did!, while later under influence of trend simply many willing to trade with the prime aegean salesman then greeks needed to learn know accept whatever is restamped by them, so such language exclusivity is wrong fingering!, as if we would say that nowadays everyone that speaks or use english as modern lingua franca that he is englishman!, altho defacto as pointed above even modern greeks have nothing significantly same as language with the one of ancient greeks (6th footnote in the previous post, tho shared from sleeve as all actually coz its topic that needs one whole academic eforum and not some post or two), tho greeks are welcome how they went to bronze themselves by reverse engineering to bring future alignment with mycenaeans (micean) if they want, for whatever differences or stances would be smoothed out neatly, but first need to decipher linearA&B so would not end up slavic later!, practically if we take for granted the slavic migration theory MarijaG, then slavs occupied whole peninsula, thus the greek realm as well, even landed on Crete [16][16][16][16] and have in mind those slavs settled and became dominant for millennia and half in whole region of Macedonia, up until were erased by city’of’london decision so would be secured aegean maritime hub, indeed all slavic toponyms in Greece now are distant past [17][17][17] hm, maybe like that will scribe in mycean links tomorrow!?, doable, myceans, hmmm, in opposite manner eg. croats want to distant themselves from serbs etc. for whatever similarities would be grinded out [18] so, yeah, when all such cultural mythology is pushed through nationalistic hoses, logically whatever disrespect nowadays, has become burden for all, usually by the fakebook system of shared vessels logic [19-15][19-12][19]