On Economy (past current future)

[Pelister]

@Pelister

public bursts for reaching “their” n’w’o ideal [2][2][2]

I am throwing emphasis on these assertions first coz point to particular skim, then in context of continuity, and finally that is kind of wrong force behind all of “them” i.e. altho those (and similar elites of) actors were not joined in one and the same crew thus envisioning or repackaging same ordo’ab’chao idea (even all of them were freemasons still didnt belong on same lodge or had have same nihilist will) yet again the utopian neoplatonic ideal is the very same glue that is holding together all of “them” as euroatlantic neopagans (freemasons fascists - zionists marxists - atheists transhumanists etc. more or less similar complementary or upgrading ists)!, also logically if "they’ were sponsored for “their” political academic or cultural bursts by the bank’corp’elites then “those” are also aligned thus in question is the very same ultra’evil’energy that is holding “them” enslaved to follow without rest, actually if and when someone among “them” will try to escape that is almost impossible if dont turn to Orthodox Christianity in fullness tho first of all to realize that the Feat for standing up in Truth against the evil is Martyrs Feat for Redemption and Eternal Life through Christ … tho have in mind that not all people are fearless and adored with understanding that in this temporal life have chance for earning Eternal One even more that the merit for that per’se is Life in Christian Truth and Feat [1][1][1] what means Salvation rests as on Law so as on Love and the balance between (nor blind law nor blind love) is secure path ahead!, in same time be Fearless but also Merciful having understanding that the evil is cast out by Grace foremost!, so fence Yourself with Prayers and once certain that temptations are mounting high accept that everything is Our Almighty Lord Providence thus dont despair but focus we are not coz utopian comfort in this World but through Life in Feat to reach Salvation and sometimes its enough not to Judge so would not be Judged what is possible if You are certain that we are at war with evil powers&principalities that can hijack anyone so would throw as much Souls in oblivion by whatever means ways emergence eg. in context of this thread through economy resting on mammonism as debt greed and ultraliberal’centralized’banks what as dynamics is bleaching many to lose by selfishness otherwise secured Salvation eg. if by any chance someone is farmer instead office’r surely will have always surplus for sharing not just with his neighbors and relatives but strangers too, tho officers maybe dont have extra but sharing even as little they have can be soteriological feat yet living mids the concrete jungle as alienated coz disrupted traditionalism almost exponentially our compassion coz various circumstances is getting cold usually coz we need to service all the modern toys&joy that is draining every cent from our pockets aside that coz constant inflationary rollercoster even had have some savings the same for many are just forgotten buried asset that is touched only when investing in business or house So and if now is burden people to be help eachother then how much more mids economic depression!?, except if You move on country and have means how to survive as farmer!, tho one thing is will other knowledge and totally different thing experience, aside that You will need to join forces in co-op’s for easier share of the pains the gains and reserves …

Probably its wrong to generalize that all of “their” euroatlantic elitistwill is per’se evil, simply not all in the euroatlantic realm as elites are neopagan greedy or decadent, yet when expansionist geopolitics is pushed as defensive strategy then something stinks!, and its relevant question How why and through what we can assume that “their” utopia will end up in dystopia!? Hm, first of all when “they” project unilaterally particular future as imminent (what about when covertly are employing the same in form of great’reset mids supposedly democratic realm) coz that very same indicators till now it should be obvious to everyone (even the birds on the trees) that something very wrong is happening in the “lands of d free”, in my opinion alchemic neopagan wrongness that is upgrading on the ancient platonic sabean and akkadian system of pagan esotery which obviously sees perfection in darkness!, and what can be recognized by various scientific hype of “their” humanist academia, but also evident by the obsession with “their” trend for chasing order through “chaos theory” the infamous neopagan motto “ordo’ab’chao” which actually is alchemic recidive - altho even alchemists were preceded by scholasticists with “their” neoplatonism [2][2][2] eg. Thierry of Chartres "From the platonic ideas (ydeas) and from prime matter (ylen), the seeds infused into primitive chaos (primevo globo) engender the world (parturientia mundum semina), and little by little ordain it to
submit to the laws of measure, number, and weight (mensura, numero, pondere). " [2][2][2] where obviously the knowledge rests on the “dualistic” cosmogonic interpretations what by all means is wrong from Monotheist perspective!, and essentially all alchemists drawn “their” later theories on that dualistic basis [2][2][2] on which actually later emerged humanism through alchemic empiricism, and I’ll freely say eventually as seeded rooted and raised on wrong pagan and gnostic vibe simply its logical that humanists will reach to fascination with the chaos - with the darkness - with the dragons - with the evil (seen as creativity) - with the ultimately’wrong’pride of deists!, to which eg. chaos willingly or not as in case with every other of “their” doors’of’perception also to “it” too was given pedestal of mathematical exaltation mids all “their” wrong system of theories [3][3] hm and how this to be overlooked that “they” as ancestors of alchemists humanists deists and alike ists are consumed by that wrong’scientific’spirit and wrong’empirical’solutions which in context of finance some say werent applied [4] yet knowing that in economics the chaos theory got its place [5][5][5] then also its logical that some of “their” predictive programing also end up in central bank context [6] I can just assume (coz this topic is not some speciality of mine) that “their” chaotic dark obsession as naturalist humanism is not just some surficial rebellious avantgarde coincidence of modern western trend but indeed imbued alchemic vibe energy flow (as “their” virtue from vice) that when even dotted shallowly like this its obvious that as scientific exceptionalism is resting not just on wrong but also fake truth as basis for “their” utopia!, as JayD correctly points when someone through pride and with despise of Christianity is searching for truth it will rightfully get rewarded with deception [7] simply as causality chased from scientific sloth its logical that it will fireback with delusion!, yet many (especially broilered on “their” alma’matter’universities) are blinded whether by psyop trickery or bribe to accept that “their” scientificism is utmost exceptional correct and epitome of truth altho defacto only mirage of truth success and happiness!, lets be fair its not “their” fault that some vatican elites astrayed since late antiquity by embracing neoplatonism, what somehow is obvious even to catholics one by one trying to find excuse what was wheat what chaff in scholasticism as merger of Christian and natural theology [8](1h35m)[9] tho here I’ll need to chill coz not so insightfully around apologetics thus will just say again that that flirting of vatican universities with neoplatonism costed us all revival of paganism in form of alchemy and neopagan luciferianism in face of rosicrucian freemasonry and all its later new’age’denominations!, Hm are “their” modern econometrics and economists an kind of modern deist sect of “theirs”, some mammonistic banksters caste of utopian priests that currently are “the philosopher kings” waiting to pass the baton to the olympian x-man!, not that I have something against the trends that became norm from perspective of Free Will if and when such will be acepted by the masses but the problem arose when the same are imposed by the elites so “they” will sustain “their” elitism!, and maybe as modeling is not some crucial problem but how the same became cult of idolizing wrong predictive programing so would be found excuses for costly reforms or unnecesary steps eg. in geopolitics etc. etc. ilogical predispositions of wonnabe excellence in our modern societies!

Economic models are like maps. Maps provide us with an insight into
aspects of the truth, but they do not in themselves capture the whole
tnith. A map of London can tell us how to get from Heathrow to
Westminster. It cannot, however, encapsulate the whole reality of the
city such as the crowds, the smog and its inhabitants’ everyday joys
and disappointments. Economic models are similar. They do not attempt
to encapsulate a holistic vision of the world. But they can tell us with
a high degree of accuracy how to get from point A to point B if we
want to attain certain material objectives, even though they only equate
to an approximation of the reality that they depict. Christian thinkers
should therefore be careful before accusing economists of excessive
abstractness. (hahaha Dali comes to mind) Abstractness is often necessary if we are to reach any conclusions about how certain material and economic objectives might be attained. As Buchanan and Brennan point out, abstraction is a way
‘of allowing economists to impose intellectual order on the observed
chaos of human interaction, without excessive distracting detail in
dimensions of the analysis that are not centrally relevant’ (Buchanan
and Brennan 1987: 53-54).
By the same token, economists should acknowledge that economic
models are only useful for certain purposes and do not and cannot
embrace the whole of reality. A London street directory will not show
11s the distance between New York and London. Nor does it tell us that
we should travel from Heathrow to Westminster. It merely provides us
with some of the information that we may need ifwe choose to go
about attaining that goal. [11]

Anyway, by every economic logic we will need to grasp that the problem are not “their” theories nor “their” exceptionalism, “they” are as “they” are, but is our will to wait on “them” for solutions, what mids closed system like the current plutocratic of “theirs” it should clear that is norm after few centuries humanistic “scientific” establishment however neopaganly wrong it was fermenting!, simply we need to start pushing opening of the system so as Christians would start (ideally through eTOS environment) questioning “their” wrong exceptionalism what think will lead to deconstruction of all “their” wrongness and it will be easily seen what from “their” projections is acceptable and what not eg. little’ice’age can be issue but what if that issue is determined by wrong c14 methods!?, hm issue for questioning is not just climate but every science yet when any eventual alternative theory is suppressed then how to expect that we can reach anyhow stable future ahead from politics through economy till culture!?, how to expect masses to embrace “their” technocracy when from start the same as expert rule is not transparent and meritocratic process but per’se an rigged by humanist worthiness plutocratic deep’state’diligence!, and isnt as idea technocracy not seeded by wrong modeling of utopianism!?, hm just when I see its dualistic logo stamped in gray and red I am instantly repelled even to contemplate that as society ruled by experts will end up far from the neoplatonists dualist vibe!, yeah rulers and slaves for “them” as elitist fabian reinventing of socialism probably sounds normal end of the enlightenment progression!?

some less important tho useful technical clarification

… reminder follow the end links in the footnotes!, and dont mind my alopoetic juggling inbetween, its just kind of spacing among info points places planets or however You like to see it!, also dont search any numerological superstitious meaning in the numbering of the footnotes - altho indeed I have some past flashback for ridiculing through labeling six with sex like kind of reminder that everything pagan or neopagan is seen by “them” as ideal of lusts!, tho I am not using such label in some magic way on contrary aware about as ultra’wrong’mancy [12][12] yet again maybe wrong coz in some artistic way like this trying to mock “them” and “their” ideals along also all “their” wonnabe order resting on fallen joy - now waiting to be upgraded by even greater fakery of joy in form of most unnatural existence - and not just unnatural in context of tech&economy, but Mankind per’se tweaked as tech&economy coz some rush of “their” own fears&ideals i.e. while “they” are trying to reach “their” utopia are ready to sacrifice all of us even till fallout!, is it just so would find some peace of mind around “their” ice’age’phobia!?, or there is “something” more inbetween as hidden’fallen’agenda!?, I mean we have indeed problem with superstitiously’wrongly’tweaked humanist academia that had have feeding “their” heads visions and projections what will be and need to be done so “their” enlightened’alchemic’exceptionalism would survive and thrive for “their” eternity, and just like in wrong scenario from lovely fantasy ferrytail we are pushed in horror scifi serial!, the problem is that we are the celluloid for that shoot so unaware about that “they” fooled “themselves” that we are just some lines in “their” story where “they” are the storyteller, yet constantly having trouble to reach postproduction stage what about premiere of “their” utopia!, and while again and again pushing further with “their” exceptional selfdelusion of deist projection ~ surely we will be again and again reminded: Focus On Salvation coz You Are In This World With Purpose what would be Returning To Your Previous Position In Heaven with Chance Now To Reach Through The Sacrifice Of Our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ Redemption Worthy For Life In Eternal Bliss In The Heavenly Kingdom … thus You have also responsibility to remind neopagans especially “those” who want all of us to be thrown in apostasy and oblivion either Repent or will be Punished till noreturn even in this Life!, practically if hot nuclear ww3 happens it will be punishment from Above and not so neopagan ordo’ab’chao will altho “they” think its up to “them”, surely there are such monstrums among “them” that in “their” lost souls lust for oblivion as ultimate achievement or purpose in “their” life, but defacto not all in “their” neopagan cauldron have such mindset but just longing for some unreachable earthly heaven’on’earth!, and those need to wake up and Repent before “their” war-dogs dont provoke Our Almighty Lord Wrath to fell on all of us coz “their” wrong humanist neopagan deist phantasmagorias now rushing to be upgraded on level of ultrawide molesting by nanobots and emf frying!, practically I can witness that like that “they” are indeed summoning demons-anathema-to-them!, and what do You think how that will end up causally or where You should stand as individually so as collectively when its obvious “they” as euroatlantic determinists simply are blinded to follow till noreturn an wrong geopolitical doctrines which actually are blindly ecured by the wrong utopian neopagan academic selfprograming through the past few centuries!, so potentially this kind of mirroring of “their” true stamina can wake up and move on pushback “their” lower echelons that are not so eager to end up in instant oblivion coz “their” wrong’systemic’programing of Wrong’Euro’Atlantis exceptionalism&utopianism!, as could be seen from the quotes in the past post its obvious in various periods “they” were establishing or removing different patterns for “survival” So probably now came the time to be requestioned also “their” humanistic’alchemic’exceptionalism of humanism and like that calmed down the wrong’neopagan’utopianism which as neoplatonic and deistic defacto it will end up just in the abyss of torment till Final Judgement …

[RhebaRhae]

Having some problems with Estulin’s interview with Helga Zepp-LaRouch. Don’t really agree with her. Sounds like repackaged OWO propaganda…

[Pelister]

@RhebaRhae

OWO propaganda

Old World Order, hm in same time she says “there will be new world order” [1] also “we must act as whole” “either we will act as one humanity or we will destroy each other” “national interests are legitimate but it needs to be in cohesion with one humanity” [1] in a way think she is pointing that we need to reinvent the old world order, what in respect of economic policies would be balance between capitalism and socialism, the problem is whether the current democratic meritocracy will be substituted by elitist technocracy, and above all whether “secular” humanists will grasp that Christianity cant be treated like museum relic!, if this is not achieved as balance then euroatlantic determinists will provoke escalation till global hot ww3!, practically she is trying to point that kind of joint multipolar world should be common aim [1] if we want to keep the Peace, but is this possible with the euroatlantic determinists on the stage!?, how to expect any agreement when since the fall of the iron curtain everything “they’ve” oblige promise or sign was broken!, and probably thats why we need eTOS momentum on west till ea-determinists didnt rolled out technocracy as “scientific dictatorship” so we as freethinking independent nonutopianists will be pushed out from the scene!

Seen historically west was acting democracy so would bring new order of reshaped bankcorp feudalism earlier, but now need to suspend democracy so would become western empire or even better reach till new’world’order of “own” utopian neopagan humanist phantasmagoria!, and speaking from eschatological perspective yes we can reach balance on this World - but to expect all to get molded in one globalist transnational trancultural tranfuturist stew sincerly think that such fantasy is really wrong in this World, simply in dimension where we are in middle between the Heights and the abysses defacto cant be reached ultimate absolute eternal perfection!, not that we cant and/or dont need to strive for ideals, but to expect that till those can be reached by trickery or force its really wrong exceptional path to oblivion!, coz defacto it cant be reached mix between sheeps and goats!, yet altho we are warned about this still “someone” is trying to convince us that that is doable, hm as is doable to cohabitate with nephilims too, so either “they” will calm down or it will be as it will be and Glory To Our Almighty Lord For Everything simply coz we’ve earned all rightfully how stubbornly dont want to repent from our evil ways as civilization choked by decadence mammonism and exceptionalism, practically once Christianity was push off by secularism we traced path to certain by causality need for rebalancing so this World will serve its soterioilogical purpose after our banishment from Higher Realm, hm and knowing this probably “they” will do “their” best to push for final trickery by nanobots xenobots or whatever tech so would lobotomize all after “their” ww3 debacle, but whoever emerged as victorious “they” will surely reattempt comeback simply for a long time were infiltrating on various sides thus will not give up even fell, altho it will how now are eager to push “their” cyborg’great’reset by all means, and in context of victory it will be given the eastern empires coz the western as neopagan defacto became graceless!, yet even then there will be attempt by ea-determinists to reemerge i.e. even as fallen to hijack Christianity and fool Christians to embrace the fallen’prophet as mesiah altho antichrist, what points that now we are on the edge of noreturn how people are not interested in debating realistically but cheering polarized, what will have own consequences by itself!, somehow nowadays balancing became acrobatic feat, yet still doable, the question is till when!?

[Pelister]

They want to crash the world economy - David Icke.

Financial Collapse To Steal Your Money - David Icke Speaking In 2016

I was really avoiding reading DavidI earlier (altho had have listened for some videos in the past) simply he is newager and foremost coz from Christian perspective its far from appealing to me his understanding for lizard people which as newage reasoning (unlike mine as Orthodox Christian [1][1][1]) is relativizing the Salvation and further throwing people in indifference altho I cant say that he is wrong in his ea-determinists anamnesis coz not certain is it word for controlled opposition or true resistance ~ simply havent paid attention far than the meme The Lion Sleeps Nomore that surely unconsciously reawaken marleys resistance vibe in many hearts if not else, yet once You’ll here him that sticks as awaken to the speed’of’light then its becoming obvious he hasnt awaken too I’ll suggest him try Orthodox Christian Life in Feat so would grasp easily what time it is and where You are at, tho he has right for the fact that as World this one is indeed arrangement But With Purpose where we are coz Salvation as Reward if endure while living in Truth!, otherwise You are ending up in fear and disbelief trying to brake free through panicking than with calm heart (drowning or live’sand comes to mind) simply it is given to us Salvation through Christ but if You are trying to employ it by error there is no certain escape!, as he is trying!, and even You are on the correct path through Orthodox Christianity if dont lower Yourself and understand that You are ashes&dust then You’ll have difficulty to awake what about get Saved above all we are not alone in this World so those who will rush to Help others will earn Salvation thus dont be afraid from “them” but do try to give a hand by Prayers instead hate by cursing, simply its simulation based on causality which causality can be broken only from Above through Jesus Christ!, but not through the demons-anathema-to-them that rule in the astral realm in the lucid dreams or through the psyhics spiritists shabans sorcerers!, to be even more fact we are all at attack in till some level possessed having individually one Guardian Angel and one tempting angel, and as higher we are rising on the ladder of this world like authorities so as we have greater responsibility and if by any chance we get corrupted then we are falling and being overpowered what surely brings misery as effect once as fallen trying to pull others in fall!, yet trying to level all religions like DavidI like evil plot is per’se wrong and it could be said he is at best halfliterate!, altho correct when saying that there is virus in our World altho I’ll say with purpose so we would recognize the need for Salvation otherwise we would had have chasing heaven’on’earth [2][2][2]-[2][2] (hm how are disappearing footnotes a!, the 9th in the last 2nd) yet must say more and more starting to see similar observations to my purely logical from perspective of accidental wandering antineopagan antiglobalist eg. that euroatlantic determinists prefer to act and gain position by subversion fear intimidation chaos etc. alike what think is correct logic of his too!, yet if we see more closely how he is attacking even Orthodox Christianity but also embracing archons theory that is theosophical story [3][3] then defacto he is kind of british rosicrucian alike RudolfS [4] not sure just how refurbished is his “esotery” maybe just dualist new’age’vibe coz seeing the evil like equal to Lord and isnt that the very same gnostic platonic neoplatonic neopagan spin yet in his case peddled in form of spiritual anarchism coz mirroring the gnostic archons or buddhist devas [5] or as many new’agers is freelance rebel that serves good as attempt for conditioning of the masses to keep away from Orthodox Christianity, I mean cant claim he is someones invention or infiltration (if so its logical an tavistock pawn coz directly or indirectly the new’age’hype and the hippie counterculture were “their” behaviorist skim so would be leveled Christian Tradition to dust) eventually how was already shaped by antichristian freemasonic flow the british intellectual elites subcultures and neopagans it could be as well case stirred by “selfdelusion” antielitist guru that was accidentally promoted on bbc prime time and maybe left so would serve the purpose for fooling Christians how ultradeism hit him in the forehead [6] yet how is promoting kind of kali’yuga’shift defacto looks like refurbished mi5 spin as once were beatles with their hinduism hype [7][7][7][7][7][7][7] something that as counterculture was real agenda [8][8] that actually didnt rest as potential if not else as induction for promiscuity and through it by abortionism population control [9][9][9][9] yet I am not familiar with his works some say he was ironing tavistokeans too [10] so as genuine neopagan gnostic or agnostic he became good ace to be played as by the zionists so as by the freemasons as kind of controlled opposition altho how was bashing “them” with “their” paedorama probably became uncontrolled problem if not else for the “black nobility”!, hm coz anglicanism many would astray to gnosticism surely (even earlier was infested by freemasonry [11][11][11] what maybe till now wasnt exploited extra but how now culminated with “wokism” surely will [11]) anyway everything points that on eschatological level DavidI as potential antivirus got bugged while awakening lets say towards spiritual anarchism what eventually can bring only strive towards another kind of utopian chase but surely not Path towards Salvation so his will to me at best looks like tanking revolution fuel that in vendeta case need to flame up the masses so would bring what!?, maybe gaia paganism!?, hm magna’matter pacha’mama cybelle isis whats difference!?, if he goes on that line then he is again just another rosicrucian repackaging that unlike theosophy or antroposophy should apeall more to the modern anarachist thought that is amorphously revolutionary ready to be carried by whatever consensus it will be reached by its band!?, and isnt that already seen, yet from aspect of antiglobalist libertarianism if someone wants to follow him its his Free Will you just need to be aware that gurus especially infogurus cant slay dragons on contrary while attacking “them” are becoming alike simply fenceless of Grace sooner or later anyone will got pulled when diving in “their” caves mud and essence!, thats why I am not rarely suggesting be cautious when You are interesting for “their” wrong knowhow even when You are doing that informatively!, be aware sometimes its enough to start from fun to share demystifying spears and like that to provoke on Yourself attack what about if get focused and start not just hitting the “dragons” between “their” horns but slaying “them” on the go when You will need definitely to stand in Truth as Orthodox Christian so would be effective even like this without any special effort investigation or demystification!, hm I’ll say to him ask Yourself how were possible miracles like fall of napoleonic of lenins of hitlers of neocons rush against Russia and everytime to withstand if Orthodox Christianity was mere illusion!?, yes if and when its leaders astray punishment will follow by default but never fell apart as many times did the western empires!, still I’ll understand his disappointment either from westminster either from vatican but to say that Christian Theology is fake hm indeed You are blinded Man!, its like saying this World was circumstantial emergence but it will take more than Orthodox Christian Theology so would grasp this i.e. need also Orthodox Christian Praxis simply You will never reach Metanoia just by brain but need to plug Your Hearth too, and when Your Noetic Eye is secured by Grace then You will see The Truth when You will see that without Christ we are doomed while with Him Saved …

Obviously Icke has no problem plagiarising Schumpeter’s concept of “creative destruction” and then misrepresenting it. Creative Destruction describes the change in markets brought about by new technologies as old businesses that are unable to adapt go out of business and as whole market sectors become redundant as innovations appear. To use the great Milton Friedman’s example, the mass producer of buggy whips is probably not going to survive the transport revolution brought about by the internal combustion engine. Those factors of production will be better used elsewhere than in the continued production of buggy whips, and the market price of buggy whips and the market price of shares in the business are the means by which this information is communicated.
He does the same thing with scientific terms of course, using them in order to obtain some unearned credibility and then using them in some gobbledygook word-salad to entrance the fools who hang on his every word. [12]

[Pelister]

I’ve used DavidI unintentionally as example how as Christians we need to be cautious what we supping served by whom!, not that I am saying he is completily wrong but for me as I’ve said his explanations are more revolutionary alike and that hm goes in “their” favor in my opinion (except if Patriots as Military and Police along Party Leaders dont stand up and push for massive status quo and like that pressuring on compromise euroatlantic determinists) [1][1][1] practically DavidI looks like such stir (knowingly or not) as antiglobalist agent provocateur hype in eU ~ that would serve for peddling globalist change on small door i.e. ordo’ab’chao spin so through controlled chaos would bring even greater totalitarian reality for which supposedly we would had have asked for eg. after 9/11 coz risks from terrorists an patriotic act in usA among other!, AND DONT BE NAIVE consumer BUT DEBATE or ask for debate BEFORE JUMP UP usually in fire [2][2][2] Simply if we allow ourselves as Christians to push change by revolutions like that we are risking to fell in trap of chasing heaven’on’earth instead through suffering to reach Salvation, hm but for who what is suffering!?, even more simpler ~ it is given by Our Almighty Lord particular order in particular time to some authorities (usually coz our own wrong causality and no willingness to Repent from viceful habits i.e. altho we are all called to strive for Perfection yet not all can or will reach it thus by the Gift of Free Will not all can reach Theosis [3] thus its illogical to expect that can be achieved by force Perfection on this World!) So almost as if I am trying here to point dont judge neopagans especially problem if You are indeed Christians and have understanding that coz the abundance of Free Will in this World be thankful if Balance is reached! i.e. its not useful to shout that “they” as elites are the only beam that is holding alive the current abomination of global’economic’casino but our laziness for Feat and through it wrong zealotry against (or wrong comprises with) “their” wrong trends of growth progress and happiness, defacto Agrarianism is answer to the current neoliberal mess in our civilization (and all the risks that are bursting in or from it) where we have extra but feels like we have none!, at least half of the population need to be selfsufficient so we would see balance as probable to last, yet how many from You are now ready to abandon “their” urban’jungle’ghetoization industrialization automatization comfort leisure and move back to Your ancestors rural cradle!?, how many are willing to grasp that how indifferent we are and waiting others to debate out the solutions and bring harmony that actually like that only helping to sustain the path towards technocracy which sooner or late will introduce transhumanism!, so either start as intellectuals to employ eTOS means for 24/7 constant polishing of the solutions options and probabilities [4] or dont whine how so “they” push what “they” push as agenda!, “they” are what “they” are but obviously You are not what You think You are when waiting on “their” system and “their” academia to bring eTOS vibe!, is it so hard to grasp that eforums if and when managed like compact but precisely branched etool can bring indeed clarity far greater than the current cacaphonic lobotomy on soc.nets where even if something is said after while is lost and go upgrade or expand some thought idea solution concept project law or deconstruct it in different topics but stil tied by similarity coz easier navigation, simply You dont have other tool to reach secure exit from the current wrong exceptionalism of ea-determinists by some balanced form of direct Participatory democracy [5][5] yet You are not employing it anyhow as if already gave up from TIP TOP (True Independent Power To Oldskul People) or whatever articulate zoonpolitikon meme, and instead on eforums to be criteria ultra’literate on contrary half’literate like me are becoming factor coz the previous are too buzy memeing on soc.nets hire’me’up’scotty exceptionalism so would debate or call me when others will get onboard lazy exuses, but then again dont whine when You will end up cyborg! indeed this is hilarious how someone vaste time to read me ~ simply I am nor expert nor even graduated highschool with average grades (absent most of the time) good that my grammar is abstract so indirectly can give emphasis that my classroom was the ghetto, So imagine how potent vibe can come out if educated are constantly debating in public!, sadly we still havent seen even similar to polish ideas what about to witness 24/7 opposite but expert ngo or party eforum debate!, while those like me can freely reexpert the experts on public eforums!, but without the experts on the podium even ultra effective debate etool like eforums cant bring any useful solution that will reach any useful implementation!, evaluation now is the label of the plutocratic game behind closed doors and polished by bought media, so be thankful that we havent reached already oblivion how corruption is logical to thrive in full closed systems where public auditing and inspections exist as effective only in movies!, so either the euroatlantic system will meet opening or it will become some futurist neobolshevik collateral of wrong utopian blueprints!, waiting the same to be opened by the very corrupt elites which are now servicing it its like waiting on burglar to let You in his depo, So Dont Wait And Start Any Opening However You Can by ngo or party eforums!, more You wait more distant will be any potentially normal cushioning of the current global casino economy!

Hm as if intentionally is messed up the current e’society i.e. instead to be norm correct useful trend of e’tools for public interaction on contrary we are seeing some kind of chaotic disarray of social e’cohabitation [6] which as such is useful only for agitprop means by the current plutocratic corrupt elitist flow coz on the soc.nets every demystification is easily buried by whatever sensationalism aside that all are thrown in one huge centrifuge literate halfliterate and illiterates what is bringing only hood share of boring recycling who is guilty for what as if enough times some issue would be shared it will be resolved as copy paste info, simply there we re all lost in space how trying to debate per’se On by triviality and voyeurisms splashed soc.nets!

maybe there was some eugenically behaviorist social darwinian plan in pentagon when '90s eforum hype was chilled down while stirred in '00s mirtz on steroids in form of fakebook alike nets!?

also Go Check Your Heads maybe You have nanobots running around Your brains that are clouding Your judgement thus easily getting lost on soc.nets and trying there to reach anyeffective change, yeah not even for the birds in the opium forest where voyeurisms rulz and triviality is norm, how else to be seen Your socializing as experts there!?, Dont Forget You Are Also Giving Consent To All Molesting Of The Innocent Youth how You are part of the ultra neoliberal soc.nets where even dont want to idiocracy is taking its toll bit by bit, aside that that can fireback coz tempted are as I’ve said Innocent Souls what from soteriological aspect is certain path towards debacle, hm imagine some alien a.i. has hijacked those current centralized e’centrifuges of soc.nets!, will it “then” stay someone sober!?, hm after such penetration even by white noise what about link through braingates coz everything is stacked on few global soc septic tanks (usually of lusts and pride along greed) indeed after who will stay real with will to keep up The Tradition of Orthodox Christian Truth, hm what good can come from such momentum even now but full’digital’economy and transhumanism in form at least like catalogized chipping coz cyborgization!, hm hm hm as not soafraid from technology I’ll say it had have been ideal if that stayed on level of 2fa eventually 3fa biometric logins!, but someone is in rush to reach x-man reality, thus dont care even if in front You’ve been expanded on far greater level up untill hiving!, Eh I still dont want to accept that such modern mengele alike monstrums are regular thing, maybe he got cloned and employed for good in fed’cdc’dia!?, how else to be explained the recent coerced plandemix biotech like some “new’normal’evil” that can and should be even boosted!?

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chaos willingly or not as in case with every other of “their” doors’of’perception also to “it” too was given pedestal of mathematical exaltation mids all “their” wrong system of theories [3][3]

Its really interesting how system theories became shaped from idea through concept till thesis, what in different era got different problem for examination, in enlightenment era more philosophically and esoterically while later more abstract and mathematically altho always as kind of humanist poetry that is trying to project apotheological scientific truth that will serve as excuse how and why would “they” chase utopia even by evil means!, practically in romanticism was rush for removing Christian Theology by neopagan fakery, while once humanism was established as guidance on “their” universities the chase got more practical forms of experimenting with all isms that could had have been envisioned as possible!, I’ll kindly say “deception&selfdelusion” became favorite icecream for the “wise” euroatlantic determinists!, it had became trend per’se coz flowing slowly thus got wider penetration, and as unchallenged (mids secular republicanism) that humanistic neopagan scientificism got established in “their” academia as absolute truth for following and funding, altho think that the most crucial discoveries were achieved far aside from “their” mainstream vibe eg. teslas inventions!, hm wonder why patents were enacted, one logic it would be so elites would control what by whom will be released how and why and like that having always control whether some tech can disrupt “their” control!?, maybe I am wrong with this hunch but imagine if MarcoP or ChristopherC were the main trade authorities with China or America if so we would had have icecream machines even earlier [7][7][7]

And now when we are confronted by one such cryonic globalist centrifuge I’ll try to examine why “their” icecream is not at all not tasty but debacle!, yet its sold as most unique for this World or even worst by take-it-cant-leave-it coercion [8][8][8] that was nothing else but preprogramed function in “their” neopagan utopian humanism of current scientific dictatorship waiting to be upgraded till homo’silicon’singularity [9][9][9] what even seen through “their” math its simply debacle of wrong reductionist globalism of socio’economic’stew that is mixing even incompatible traditions in one universal scream of wrongness [10] and knowing “their” kitchen is nihilist then defacto the served if sometime see the day surely it will be horror and as experiment already did in leninist and maoist experiments of chasing systemic perfection or perpetuum’mobile’system where we as Mankind would exist solely coz servicing such utopias deprived from any chance of Free Will except “their” free will to deconstruct our normal soulful traditions by wrong soulless ideologies of bunch of demonized elites thinking that “they” are some earthly gods for which we are just from fun or boredom played chips in “their” casino, I mean what can come from deist cookbook than misery!?, especially when “they” are selling “their” ultra’rotten’ingredients as omnipotent nutrition!, to be more scary laid on the united’nations’shelf under euphemistic labels of new’world’order social inclusivity equality unipolarity of absolute happiness for earthlings [11] hm almost as if some lower species are trying to remove Mankind from the scene so “they” would emerge!?, tho “they” are older but as substance far less in closeness to Our Almighty Lord simply as creations Angels are our older brothers yet lower by Likeness i.e. with Baptism as eikos [12] we are in likeness to Our Almighty Lord and thats why we can be more easily redeemed as Christians but in same the Judgement will be also more dread if embrace abomination while bearers of the Oath of Evangelion, this said I’ll conclude (if I am correctly elaborating the Mystagogy) that not even neopagans will be at guilt till such extent when chasing wrongly heaven’on’earth as we will be as Christians that got indifferent for “their” wrong’elitist’skims!, more simple said we are taking part in “their” when silent about “their” wrongness!, not that per’se we need to act by revolutions or shouting but at least to focus on Salvation through Eucharist and Prayers for Deliverance from evil fate ahead, but are we!?, now I am not so knowledgeable to say what is the right exit from the current cyborg economy ahead, normally it should be avoided coz vast pool of risks as from earthly so as spiritual nature, yet we need wide and constant debate among all concerned and eventually by referendums every society to decide what will embrace after what it will be on them what it will as result!, going copy paste by default think its wrong for us as Christians that for quite long were under experimental hype of the neopagan humanist academia!, alone how “they” see us as resources in “their” systems that are for “them” more important than us is enough alarming that something is wrong in “their” in this case system theories [13][13]-[13][13]-[13][13] which some claim can be managed more cleverly (but do check agent in the last footnote) simply the third world as “they” see all that are not under “their” umbrella need to be kept low so “they” would stay high even dont have no real economy but just financial gambling house so whatever system is modeled however the basic core input if “they” are asked is power&control logically as usual done by trickery coz its not doable otherwise those who produce less to have more!, yet people think it could be reached balance even mids “their” closed system [14][14] what probably is doable but only if the system is opened by eTOS means so on the go would be evaluated the ideas projects and rebalance to all!, yet that is not offered even as possibility (altho on paper as open’society or open’gov exists here and there but only when others need to be opened) so the can will be futher kicked down the road till ultra closed technocracy if “their” w’e’f great’reset or its derivatives survive, wonder whether in “their” productivity math the whipping will be applied by frequency buzz due to the distributive ledgers of blockchain digital money!?, dont take this fuzzy assumption as correlation to modern feudal neoliberal system [15] tho knowing that as earlier [16][16] so as now (in one or another way) we are not rarely slaves as “their” human resources it could be taken (tho with caution) as possible variable that we will be conditioned by social’credit’system coz greater productivity or better exposure to homo’silicone or homo’chimeric experiments by push’of’button coercion!, but lets say totalitarianism is existing only far away from the euroatlantic realm thus the system will never misuse its power to condition by force its broilers, as was never tweaked for exceptionalism by 1% ea-determinists now trying to figure out what next to invent so would sustain “own” agendas coz still dont have ultimate control over all system [17][17] as would have mids full’digital’economy and technocracy [18][18] I am trying hard to avoid any analysis of the global markets simply coz it would be wrong projection to claim certainty what will happen when we know that strings are in hands of systems that can push pull various scenarios but also Miracles are regular thing!

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social inclusivity equality unipolarity of absolute happiness for earthlings [11] hm almost as if some lower species are trying to remove Mankind from the scene so “they” would emerge!?

Indeed through “their” reductionism we are seen not as Mankind but animals, and not just by the humanist naturalists like darwinians eugenicists behaviorists and alike, that excluded the Mind the Nous the Soul seeing it as some sum of physche that is animallistic automaton which can be perfected by alchemy and tech derived from it, earlier by naturalistic magic while later after the industrial revolutions by engineering means, and normally always in the name of progress till enlightened perfect homo’sapiens, as if “their” delusion secured misery of selftorment for all bowing at neopagan knowledge that supposedly is freeing “them” up but in effect just more and further broadening of enslavement to the fallen-spirits-anathema-to-them!, yet it is as it is, practically now many enslaved and tied in neopagan humanist system that while walking on its edge of wrong exploited economy in panic is speeding up all its utopian phantasmagorias as chance for regaining and securing power&control even when that is impossible yet as deists “they” will surely say if we go all will be pulled with us altho lets hope the direction will be towards Repentance nommater how lying gown “they” wear!, and lets see maybe “they” will grasp that technocracy deprived from democracy (as experts without public auditors) that by default mids secularism will bring tyranny on steroids, neobolshevism which in whatever repackaging through its elitism even all were regulated by compassion algorithm cyborg citizens again will lead in debacle knowing that this realm cant reach absolute perfection but eventually temporary simulations where again cant be calculated the Free Will or inspiration and strive for betterment, aside that this World dont exist so we would act gods but to stand up in Truth and reach Salvation …

… hm, cant understand why “they” are afraid from Orthodox Christianity!?, why by all means want to force Russia on submission!?, is it just history repeating or in question is some implanted wrongness even mids jesuits!?, I mean how and why the current pope would embrace great’reset if that wasnt case altho per’se he was conservative as cardinal yet once was pushed to papacy embraced modernism [1][1] was that just from unawarness and from fear mistake or some blackmail is at stake rolling out from the vaticans libraries where maybe some earlier popes signed something that shouldnt especially problematic logic in context of bionic&chimeric jabs as x-man lust of ea-neopagans which were huge adversaries of “theirs” [2][2][2] is it possible Francis1 to be peddled by gray or black cohorts in vatican!?, hm dont aware what kind of hierarchy follow i.e. how who can influence him if helped around positioning, JFK comes to mind [3][3] hm I really dont want to put emphasis anyhow mids economic thread about religious connections but two things makes this logic important above all the projected need of neoplatonists for one’love’religion as glue for “their” n’w’o [4][5] but also jp’morgan as potential vaticans vault [6] thus whatever happens ahead needs to be joint mission by ea-determinists and black nobility (as shadow elites in vatican) in essence teutons&julians have joint n’w’o agenda, or!?, this gives me further space to speculate how so technocracy would be acceptable for vatican!

Hm, what if the Earth indeed was in the center of the material universe [7][7]

Glory To Our Almighty Lord For Everything ...

(must admit this is new for me or was occupied with other things back then while later the same point was obviously buried, probably always had have some habit to avoid even evolutionary bickering with humanists coz as usual coz we have different methodologies of exploration logically its hard to be compared the results even when trying to grasp how round is round tho flat earth as I am aware was never official Christian Doctrine [7] again it will be known to all in the end for sure!)

And if So then at stake indeed is greater skim with the current neopagan n’w’o momentum!?, I am just aware that in fact there is clash for every Soul and whether it would embrace Salvation or oblivion!, so its really valid question will we provoke on ourselves even greater misery so would be forced on Awakening and Redemption!?, hm how humanists are persistent with “their” utopian delusions and its wrong agendas derived by even wronger system of understanding who we are, then surely that will lead to what will lead!, now we need just to wait and see whether the time will be shorten or it will reach fulness of apostasy and to it deserved penance!

And even if we examine “their” technocratic fantasy like system (as “they” say) mounted and managed by a.i. arrangement (that should push us by reductionist terms towards “perfection”) even then I am more than certain that the risks are far greater than eventual benefits!, eg. wrong hacked variable inserted in “its” simulacrum and hope that we will not be kneeled till oblivion i.e. its hard even to imagine worst case scenario from Christian Eschatological Perspective usually coz we have Hope that we will not be abandoned but can Angels help us if we seed homo’chimera’kids hm dont know [8] probably will be chance again but its question will the same will be payed by the measure of suffering coz hunger coz terror or coz gracelesness!?, history repeating or what!?, but on steroids how superhumanity and utopia are the aims of the neopagan humanists [9][9]-[9][9]-[9][9] clearly the risks about which Tom Horn was alarming in this last footnote are very real!, (most probably “someone” was/is addicted to blood rituals [9]-[9][9]-[9][9]) still its hard to grasp are “they” really so blind what are after or that by force cant reach nowhere!?, or it will need to relearn as “their” ancestors the same point over and over again!?, still its our duty also as Christians to remind “them” about the past failures and that now it will be even harder for “them” to rig any utopia simply with all industrial revolutions the causality is expanded exponentially thus “they” cant even be close to the earlier position of “their” ancestors and that actually plays huge role “they” to calm down, just dont need to be afraid that someone will eat “them” alive if are not claiming superiority over the rest!, superiority complex that think it can be overcomed yet that asks for constant ontopic intellectual debate on west!, otherwise we are indeed forwarded probably on “their” agitprop projections like the100 or game’of’trones altho to all this nicely preceded age’of’empires as game maybe not to talk about all “their” esoterical blockbuster brainwashing [10][10] hm where I cant remember about useful economic model projected as technocratic futurism but surely it can be find something like being in postfallout fema’criogenic’camp where would play till wake up vr logic since tron legacy [11][11][11] what maybe for a moment looked like some interesting steampunk or cyberpunk art [12] but now when the same needs to be employed that is too wrong projection that if we see it more clearly its like chase towards astral simulacrum when even now the fallen-spirits-anathema-to-them are playing us exactly like game hackers!, now waiting to see such opportunity even in the real life [13](p.122) and why coz “someones” ultra’wrong’deism which made from “them” as ea-elites hostages that will push utopian agenda for soul harvesting!, indeed “their” earth 2.0 or human 2.0 or darpasVRjoy coz/for obedient is nothing else but neopagan burst of hidden concealed and pushed by trickery demonic-simulacrum-anathema-to-it!, so it is almost unbelievable (for the secular mind) how so, but it is as it is, and either You will wake up or will get even further reduced!

Now go grasp for what kind of utopia “they” were after!?, I’ll say bestial for sure!, where unlike the good will of atheists that are after nice fine utopian technocracy what will get in essence is the very same fear t’x’huxley was tripping of cavemen [14] I mean what will come from homo’chimera’splice!?, who know maybe already is built underground realm for such experiments maybe already thriving down there in military bases!?, time will tell for sure whether someone will be after gold or food, hm and if “those” are animals maybe we should be the game stacked as matrix’alike’sardines!?, but here I am derailing like this whole thread in ultra speculation thus will end the post with more pragmatic question i.e. how expect as neopagan elites to fight The Grace by confining all in concrete jungles!?, releasing maybe walking dead caveman so it would be impossible people to sustain themselves rurally!?, hm if so will spill the last drop till deluge!, hek what can happen when neopagan humanists see “themselves” as ultimate emergence [15][15][15] logically devolution of “their” own evolution from pure blindness that all plains levels realms have same laws aside that even the one in this one are misunderstood by “them” as deists [15][15][15] hm maybe someone will try to catch “them” by “their” rigging [16] yet that would be possible only if eg. gop get public eforum …

[Pelister]

Probably till now You are aware that economy as science has strange (in my opinion wrong) neopagan base, what on top is salted by gambling growth or virtual clearing, and now when is getting more and more obvious that that skim is wrong and its wealth unreal, suddenly we are thrown in problem’solution’mode by euroatlantic determinists!, tho it was not at all circumstantial event!, something that as plandemix was since 2008 in motion, and “they” didnt wasted time to prepare terrain for particular ordo’ab’chao circumstances too [1][1] maybe as pland B C D E along geopolitics and manufactured’nwo’reality!?, hm are we now prepared for zombie apocalypses when sars’cov’2 failed!?, could really such skim be radiated [1][1] hm whatever “they” need&have so “they” would keep upper hand in the game!?, somehow looks probable that “they” need exactly the printed’food’skim in place so it can roll out zapo scenario!?, simply from “their” position any eventual economic depression will produce even more addicts and certain dystopian violence thus suppose having means how to dispose the useless eaters for “them” is fix, and for what cwd plandemix “they” think will bring stable future [2][2][2] mids which can decide by push’of’button who will be eligible for “their” n’w’o!?, hm would “they” acknowledge such agenda?, logically not!, even less if is tied to satanic variables [2][2][2] but if “they” had have even earlier m’a’d scenarios in rand why not to assume have zombie too [3][3][3] practically in various forms “their” wrong malthusian science was reemerging as must have utopian variable for “their” n’w’o!, and finally it was put in motion as legislation as could be seen 15 years ago when was voted the particular x’pandemics preparedness bill!, hm maybe not all neopagan factions per’se are geocidal!?, and maybe such move was pushed by concerned patriots that were aware for “their” skims so acted in time to allocate funds for fema prepping for zombie plandemix!?, altho in same time we need to contemplate the possibility that the bipartisan swamp is rigging “their” blueprints, in which case we need to focus on resistance by Grace and probably knowing that this is our last stronghold as Christians so “they” are preparing indeed for blue’beam’delusion maybe like fake’second’coming as I am assuming secured by simulacrum through all bands [4][5][6] maybe like that opening door for demons-anathema-to-them [6][6][6] yeah throwing people in some spiritual ecstasy so would feel’d’love hm on what most secure shielding is the fact that we are unworthy for Theosis if havent took part in ascetic righteousness feats so dont fall for it when will happen such trickery!, in essence need to live Consecrated Orthodox Christian Life in Feat so would differ when You are in prelest and when Worthy for Theosis!, what would be even more problematic if You are stimulated on “holiness” by emf brainwashing [7][7][7] So once all get in some delirium after eventual ordo’ab’chao scenario and “someone” presents “himself” as idol then Be Wise and dont kneel even You are coerced by death!, simply You should focus on Eternity even through Martyrs Feat what means no compromise with “their” wrong’neopagan’agendas!, but how if You are stacked like sardines in the concrete jungles and like that dependent from “their” system!?, so Go Rural raise even small Farm so would get independent and withstand any coercion ahead!, now surely many will say the biotech is not on such level yet, but dont forger what is now introduced in public it was boiling for some time in dods’bunker’labs [7][7][7] and the risks that tech to be misused by euroatlantic determinists are real, would Christians in usaf revert the hijack hm that I do Hope is possible [8] still dominionism is huge infiltration so many would be kept calm and aligned to “globalists” [9][9][9] simply for “them” was to-big=to=fail-agenda “their” n’w’o thus in time peddled out many on submission in the euroatalntic realm, but as always couldnt score coz too many variables exists that are overlooked by “them” and as always again and again will fail to reach utopia!, probably thats why trying hard to chip us all so would have more input data for “their” algorithms [10] and compare this kind of logic with “their” livable broiler hype and You will get mesmerized how far “this” can go [11][11][11] in essence an selfprojected crisis that tho as risks didnt materialized [12][12] so “they” are pushing it intentionally to reach there so would have excuse for “their” neopagan’utopian’skims [13][13] practically trying to frame Russia for nuclear ww3 [14][14][14] what has logic around “their” stamina for “long planning” (mazzinis letters come to mind) hm the difference now is that “their” planning is tied to machine solutions (as reductionism till oblivion if the input’master is deist or worst luciferian [15]) simply cant imagine on “what” “they” are ready how intentionally are escalating the ukrainian crisis!, on top “they” improvise coz the past failed plandemix, and actually that makes “their” ea’determinist’globalist skims derailed heavy from tracks!, but I’ll stop here with this digressing thrown solely so would point how uncertain is to debate further about economy when obviously even “they” are after reset of “their” financial casino, not sure just why socialism is seen by “them” as secured road ahead!?, maybe hope will be more trendy [16] or more iconic when after ww3 chaos will emerge as generous by the sfrY blueprint [17] knowing that sooner or later even mids technocracy “they” will lose grip over the system, especially knowing how by trickery “they” are trying to impose “their” neopagan will what surely will provoke constant resistance!, but as we are warned in The Bible Revelation great deception will follow in the end so above all focus on Salvation so would not be deceived, doable if cautious what is served by whom to You …

If by any means “they” bring on west neopagan’humanist’technocracy all need to be aware that life can be still bearable until is not employed vlf elf emf mindmanipulation!, what if “its” rolled out it would be so “they” would keep calm (as “they” see us) the useless eaters, altho that is less problematic as is any eventual coercion on chimeric eugenic vaxing (waterborn airborn or shared by jabs) simply for “them” as deists we are like cattle (how to be explained else the current intentional escalation towards certain fallout) and if Christians are tempted then how much more the rest!?, yet some comfort is that “their” narrative is decimated while “their” wrong ideals exposed!, and that requestions the belief of many in “their” current system or whatever “they” want to rig ahead as euroatlantic determinists!, altho one dont need too much knowhow so would grasp that “they” are dualists if we see the technocratic movement logo even called monad as would be logical for humanist’deist’invention [18] hm just how grim looks whatever from “their” kitchen in the past [19][19][19] tho even now are debacle [20] is this pointing that “they” dont even care about utopianism but as possessed elites just rush to throw this World in bloodbath so would gain better position among demons-anathema-to-them once cross on the other side!?, hm what “they” are not aware is that as “they” so as “their” puppet masters will be in eternal punishment and torment!, but solely by rejecting Christ “they” are deprived from this fact i.e. cant even sense it or even if can simply afraid to resist and escape Judgement [21] otherwise I dont see why at all would not be reached compromise and balance between east and west for multipolar world, why would chase one’world’government by all means, unless there is greater skim on the horizon!, I mean as You can see I am also pointing that everyone should work his job and as experts we need to see them debating 24/7 on eforums thus in a way this sounds like I am technocracy prone still my emphasis is on transparency but also reexperting the experts through ngo or party public eforums so would be evaded scientific dictatorship like was recently imposed by ea’plutocrats mids “their” plandemix!

And if we judge by “their” euphemisms supposedly “they” are not after cyborgs and totalitarianism but just perfection, what could be sensed as wrong by various interpretations or correct logic where “they” are heading [22][23] and in all “their” exceptionalism what strikes the eye most heavy is that “they” are soulless as transhumanists [24] so go compromise with “them” anyhow!, hm did “they” envisioned transhumanism for “their” slaves while “they” as pharaohs reserved seat in deism as luciferians!?, logically not all factions of “their” are after unison utopian vision!? hm we should be grayed as slaves while “they” colored as scientific’dictatorhip’caste!? I really cant miss the notion that even the neoliberal economists see technocracy also as “their” right [25] what has logic if we know that whole humanism strive for that very same ideal [26] so we can expect joint spin of scientific dictatorship, altho marxists see “them” as faschists yeah humanist neoplatonist semantics [27][27]-[27][27] if know that what is common for both is elitism [27][27] what is interesting tho is that we’ve been already splashed with home’silicone’skim while still technocracy is not rolled what now points on huge vacuum in “their” projections!, can it be that “they” are also coming to senses!?, Hope So, what in essence depends whether the lower echelons will recognize the alchemic-spirit-anathema-to-it and as result disobey to peddle “their” cause!, yet people need to wake up too so would refuse to serve “them” or “their” agendas [28][28] for what most useful thing is exposing “their” last twisted euphemism for new’world’order the now infamous great’reset’label [29] hm for one century “they” were clear that the current need to be replaced by new, even before the green’agenda of c’o’r in '60s, also in '90s bush was talking about nwo, also his son decade later, so what happened the term to get relabeled!?, why “they” were afraid to use the very original term!?, maybe kind of scientificism struck “them” that cant attract support if genuine!?, or maybe coz per’se as science dont have Telos thus woke up that order would be wrong term for “them”, altho whenever wherever its needed could twist ankles [30]-[31][31][31][31]-[32] Still obviously more appealing argument is that in question is “PR from fear” so eventually masses would not revolt knowing how long (at least half century) is exposed “their” new’world’order by various demystificators, so think “they” were gambling big time coz like this “they” are even more exposed while trying to push us in “their” utopia, which how had have particular blueprint and inertia for quite a while its obvious that is word for greater skim behind the scenes where one’world’government is needed so the false prophet would get enthroned!, and why hm that is unknown eschatological question for me, maybe so would be stalled the Final Judgement in a modern herod alike slaughter of the innocents in Bethlehem!?, but this kind of guessing even if it could anyhow give some logical answer why “they” are so stubbornly persistent to impose utopian n’w’o That will not make You resolute to focus on Salvation (tho pandemic potentially could) but for this first of all You will need to foster for spiritual feats like 1. Praying and Praise like 1.2 Catechesis and Theology (i.e. 1. Praxis and 1.2 Theory) so would resist the spirit-of-antichrist-anathema-to-it!, waiting on political solution as some safety rope think is risk people to loosen and while hoping that Miracle will follow solely coz some rulers will get Holy or are standing in Truth simply it depends from all of us and if and when we are not recognizing the times and their fulfilment as call for Eternal Joy (or coz stubborn apostasy Punishment) but instead loosely behave like what matters is what we will have to eat or wear i.e. instead on Christian Feat for Salvation many are per’se focused on hedonism materialism and egoism then alone by themselves are provoking on themselves misery that if happens (again) it will be temptation for awakening towards Repentance and Metanoia!, yet must remind You Please dont take my reasoning blindly and Please do ask for answers and opinions on this topic by relevant authorities that will not improvise like I do coz not anyhow expert on the soteriological topic [10] tho dont forget You cant expect from authorities to improvise or juggle with assumptions!, especially problematic would be to expect plain technical answers eg. what is enough secure exit for all from the current trap in which we are pushed towards “their” ordo’ab’chao?, Eh if just people would grasp that many as victims of e-addictions are cooling down the love in its hearts, addictions through which fall in fornication if not apostasy how struggling even to control anger what about when carried by judging mindset coz scarcity of right eTOS environment but just abundance of agitprop nets full of sticky’gaslighting’propaganda usually thrown through tele’vision e’portals or soc.nets defacto (the last net in net so once someone get hooked to be difficult to get away as direct shareware node that is feeding particular propaganda vortex!), I sincerely think that in question is intentional skim for as much as possible greater distraction from Salvation but go figure out how so demons-anathema-to-them acted mids neopagan secularism through scientists sociologists statesman and alike people to secure hazy shady murky info realm where main virtue of euroatlantic determinists would be propaganda, hm trickery is all “they” are!, otherwise cant be effective in selling “their” pharaonic exploitation as unmatched success, what by all means is removing us from our True Life and depriving us from our True Purpose and Meaning in it, what maybe is not resting so much on Capitalism as nostril for tat share but elitist ultraliberlism as aristocracy resting on deceit what is norm as in capitalism so as in socialism, on what eventual potential solution is opening of the system by eTOS vibe through institutional eforums as opportunity for fast control and fast communication between the citizens joined in ngo’s or party eforums how on the go will be addressed every problem or solution instead like now to be released from sleeve as usually copy-paste acts not rarely boiled down in “someones” basement!, but this is only the systemic side of the issue as spin towards control, for the cultural spiritual emotional control by neopagans not to start altho indeed all are intertwined through economy directly or indirectly, still there any eventual wanted change could happen by other means too!

[Pelister]

… wonder in which basement was boiling GerdL futurism, probably some with teuton echoing [1][1] (forget on racist labeling I am pointing on elitist alchemic lusts) echo that was shapeshifting around all european realm as neopaganism and neoplatonist apotheosis finally getting standardized by rosicrucians [1][1] and “their” eg, nazi variations [1][1] yet the modern versions got far advanced due to the electronic revolution and now as bionic update even tasty as excused by health right on quality of life altho what as we’ve seen by the past plandemix just fallacy of excuse but push toward human 2.0 on small door coz “their” neopagan lust for superhumanity!, hm indeed GeraldL as precovid futurist sounded just like ambitious tranhumanist idealist obviously enough academic so would be appealing to all the humanist broilers that embraced “homo’deus’meme” as something logical for our survival as if in question is indeed some naive scientific cult in which the transhumanist chapter was revealed as was necessary to the circumstances as preped and rolled hiving agenda, yeah for “them” just like in freemasonry the enlightenment comes only for the high’initiated’adepts while the rest are getting conditioned just right before the “change” when bit by propaganda bit by bullying is imposed “some” the skim eg. even harari was careful before wef’ed [2][2][2] which leaves many even now in disbelief how transhumanism is smoothly embraced by the smoothly silenced academia once question anyhow “their” will hm I really wonder what will “they” do now with ElonM coz defied “their” gravity in huge strolls!?, coz yeah it was agenda instigated by military heads so noone would complain against higher cause patriotism!, respect to all that stood up [3][3][3][3] tho many didnt not rarely manipulated around the risks what eg. probably was case with DonaldT who maybe was peddled like look we must catalogize and monitor all coz among us there are many extra’terrestrial’anomalies on what further encouragement maybe came by cooperative pastors, hm but what if the peddlers are “those” what tho has some paperclip causality [1][1] yet so would not throw the thread too oftopic would just say clips were regular in various forms throughout all past century technocratic white papers [4][5][5][4][4] as manuals till “scientific” utopia or better said humanist alchemic neopagan lust for heaven’on’earth what surely was kind of history repeating thus not driven by earthly but “some” astral creativity since who knows exactly when by whom among the fooled in this world [6][6][6]

Sorry for the expanded intro but do find important that reshare of points in context of the next diagram that altho I’ve have seen it earlier yet back then I was like cmon this GerdL is just cleverly milking eu funds while tilting in some swiss sauna, but now wow are “they” indeed such weirdos!?, hm I havent studied anyhow the w’e’f gurushians but this opens comparison room to “their” map!, and hm probably this chart it would had have reached some stable upgrade of “their” agenda if wasnt for “their” failed plandemix, but now what!? do we need indeed to wait to see when ordo’ab’chao will be rolled as “their” backup so “they” would dream out “their” deist eschatology!?, can “they” at all step back and admit we were wrong!?, or is it possible to accept multipolar world and freedom from “their” utopinism!?, is such reality too scary for “their” exceptionalism, or just afraid that it might make “them” weak and the hooked serfs and slaves to start disobeying blind servitude if chill out with “their” wrongly employed utopianism!?, I mean why we all need to be thrown in such mode if “they” claim that “they” are champions of democracy!?, who are “they” fooling “themselves” or “their” a.i. vendors!?, O elitist euroatlantic neopagans Repent before its too late!!! Is this really what You believe will come out from “your” transhumanism [7][8][9] the next graph is from the last footnote to which really the following video bellow is just extra stupid brainwashing to which we lack maybe some monty python drop [10]

GERD LEONHARD - Digital transformation in business and society

[Pelister]

Now unlike the retrofuturists which per’se were concerned with the wellbeing of the society, the current futurists are more concerned with the chance for individual betterment, what as individualism suggests just one thing > that deists implanted own fuse among ea’globalists so the chase for x-man would be secured by removing any bioethical or ecoethical concerns, what matters is the opportunity for advancement which seen like that as deprived from any moral obstacles (what about religious) once is embraced as normal trend defacto will bring cyborg and/or chimeric monstrums (if already didnt) or simply will upgrade the current till level of millimeter wave threats on scale of atomic weapons > yeah atomic ants for “them” as darwinists is maybe “their” ultimate goal mids “their” new’atlantis’utopia (those who cant grasp this humanist’personification recheck some anamnesis about “their” insecticism hype [1][1]), and yeah as then so as now “their” ideological PR’s are seen indeed as scifi gurus, dont know just what sticker will suit that label better now [2][2][2] hm maybe sounds nice and interesting as PR, but to live in such matrix for good that smells on some surreal eugenic horror, somehow not even possible to be imagined how things till what extent can or will go wrong if we do embrace “their” shift!, are we aware that there will be no turning back even as ubi’tech [3][3] what about ubi’philosophy [3][3][3] (slavs would read the acronym as “kill” (уби) and not that I want to reason in pagan terms as projecting some wordmancy but knowing that “they” are neopagan and not rarely project in “their” agendas such spins yes I do find interesting that “universal’basic’income” as ubi meme in context of “their” agenda for such collective socialist euthanasia of the free will of the Christian masses and imposing the neopagan will of the elites upon them!)

Simply in hands of deists, along our Silence what defacto would be affirmation by us as Christians, yeah then what wrong can come out from “their” already obviously covertly released bionic’genetic’revolution!?, hm whats next once You’ve became tagged’guinea’pig, normally what else than further experimenting coz “they” are the masters of trial&error till perfection, that tho again will end up sooner or later like experiment expired if not failed, even when social experiments are rolled out, what about like now when is rolled mass global covert cyborg one, yeah what wrong can come from that!?, ha loose Your imagination and hope maybe emp preset on “their’great’reset” will become regular urban’guerilla hacking spin so eventually as wrong’neopagan’elites to give up to give up later if not sooner!?, I mean if it was word for some kind of natural process of social path towards transhumanist subculture where by free will someone would had have chosen to become cyborg (altho also wrong anyhow as Christian to give support for such agenda stil) then I’ll understand the atheist rush of adrenaline coz whatever chance for progress ||understandable coz many are brainwashed (by entertainment agitprop for almost one century) that will have chance to jaywalk to martian dunes or jupiterian lava or saturnalian “antartics”||, but like now all to be pushed towards such reality without any wide debate directly till Ai-IoT-IoB convergence [4][5] that along the GPT luring as kind of Grand Personality Theft is becoming new second chance for transhumanist to put You indirectly on track towards homo’silicone’reality (however kinky that sounds [5] tho stimulated kinkiness by removing bioethics ask Yourself why [6][6][6] hm I really wasnt expecting the plamdemix spin but more like gradual luring through fun work and lusts > which looks like now maybe “they” are reconsidering it again as invite trap [6][6][6] tho “they” lost huge moment of blind belief how “their” biotech proved deadly!, I really dont get why we need to be instantly lobotomized for embracing by trickery covertly or by coercion “their” utopia as now or never, and isnt this screaming that there is some greater skim behind the scenes!?, hm dont ned to guess which one when luciferians are on the top of “their” pyramid!, but You still believe that You live in democratic west, where the rule of law is above all, yeah above all broilers but not their elites!. what about debate lobbying referendums, plus who is constitutionally sovereign in west, the bank’corp’elites or the citizens!?, what suggests that we are confronted indeed with neopagan’deist’monstrums that interpret the constitutions as “they” like when “they” like!, and just like in the past two world wars simply dont care how who will be peddled towards what from the plutocrats and masses so all sold would serve devotedly “their” lust for septic’tank’reality of homo’sillicone’utopia!, reality that is envisioned and projected only in its beautiful cloths, but as we know that deists push this process from behind (and “they” realized neopagan alchemic magicians) then why dont grasp cautiously the ElonM admission that indeed with “their” human 2.0 (and alike spins) ea-determinists (ea-transhumanists) are summoning demons-anathema-to-them > for which would not be prime goal an destruction of our civilization but colonization and enslaving of our free will (hm till earthly sense of the eternal torment even when we are still alive) hm what probably or better said actually will be award for all that have abandoned Lords Law and Truth so at least some from some would Repent till the Final Judgement comes upon this World … In Essence Its our wrong will that is provoking wrong causality but Its Our Almighty Lord Providence how will end up All in the end as consequence!, and it would had have been ideal we to Repent collectively now, but knowing how long euroatlantic determinists were consumed by “this” utopian agenda that would be Miracle if we succeed to focus on resetting “their” reset by Grace!, maybe thats why “they” are rushing to release open’ai’s so would be secured penetration in minds of man even without wide disseminated nanobots in the veins round around!?, will some insider expose “their” reserve plans soon!?, or “they” by “themselves” will be revealing it!?

The World by 2030: Episode 1 With Futurists Gerd Leonhard and Anton Musgrave. (Clean HD version)

about the video: https://stoneindustries.com/septic-services/septic-tank-additives/

Selling poop as gold or maybe even worst “golden poop”!, sure what else “they” would say while selling cyborg reality as needed balance for survival of the economy, hm really cheap gaslighting!, yeah blending centralization and decentralization maybe by becoming hived broiler in “their” swiss’super’computer to which will be imbued by occupation programming purpose for maintenance of “their” utopia!, are “they” really so blindly stupid when projecting how its not so big deal if we all simply shift in such reality altho defacto the biotech in question is to many deadly!?, hm are “they” so naive that the same will be everlasting!?, are “they” not already hived!?

[Pelister]

In the previous post I am trying to make distinction between the past century futurists which by paradox some will say cant be labeled as collectivists ~ simply didnt took official stance on economy or coz predominantly were elite were far from the working class hero, yeah fabian alike italian elite altho officially with greater nationalist than internationalist leaning (like eg. fabians were, which tho how were stimulated by the anglosaxon imperialists dreaming for global dominion through new pax’britanica or pax’americana as pax’universalis empire defacto were ubernationalists too), anyway italian futurists would had have been national socialists still coz the liberal cultural vibe far from the marxian understanding for art and defacto far from communist mindset [1][1] still think liberalism and individualism were less pronounced simply coz people needed to hold together even as capitalists if wanted to survive, but what made the futurist credo think is the progress through industrialization and national pride, so Yes my assertion is somehow vague that the original futurists labeled as retrofuturists [2] are less individualistic and more collectivist prone with their ideology for progress by machines, actually then that tech and hype couldnt be imposed on all widely …

… thus the modern futurists would act also (from “their” perspective) towards betterment of whole society and coz potential biotech abundance could be more effective on whole societies, still coz this is done by exceptional scientific covert elitist skim then how we can say its not bathed in individualism of the (trans)humanist elites, deist elite for which becoming man’god as man’machine is ultimate goal since the reawakening of paganism in renaissance, simply “they” are consumed with that lust for eternal life on earth, but actually can reach only eternal selfdelusion of utopia and just impose own wrong elitist will upon all naive to embrace such experimental biotech what about hiving in the nets and machines in hands of neopagans or programmed by “them” and doing that on top with consent coz fooled by trickery how there is no alternative, yeah tell that to all those who were seeing industrialization as ideal towards utopia but defacto pushed us in ecological collapse, now superimpose that logic on nanoscale and in ultrafast pace as biotech ecology in our bodies, so its more than logical that we will see collapse of our true nature but what is even more scary is that that will be followed by misery of experimental trends for cushioning of all side effects coz the circumvented bioethics by humanists towards transhumanism, in essence playing gods so would reach apotheosis for granted even now has wrong consequences how the Peace in this World is already disturbed and scene prepared for ordo’ab’chao phase so many would volunteer enmasse day after fallout for artificial medical patches, Hope I am wrong but sensing how “they” need controlled chaos so on few levels would reach needed change towards “their” apotheosis, and probably dont care or worry whether west will be victorious ready for infiltration or to act by various scenarios, altho we know “they” will fail yet “they” are blinded for that fact consumed by “their” exceptional humanist might that screams all will kneel and follow or perish, at least how mids the past plandemix was coerced Mankind on mass vaxing with IoB needed biotech points to that!

Also I’ll need to point that the suggestions in the 3rd footnotes are intentionally chosen as less scary, I didnt wanted to choke Your mind with potential horror projection of potential metaverse nightmares, and what also its not additionally pointed is that when and if coz such hiving we are opened to greater demonic attacks Lord Forbid if so then many will be at greater risks as while wake so as while asleep mids the astral realm, not that that is not now case but lets say as hived that will be on steroids!, so knowingly or not we are sleeping in greater spiritual risks than simply biological risks from merging our bodies with machines!, on what culmination would be if we are tagged by some sigils coz portal magic and complete possession by demons or by chimeric change of the dna the same to become issue with newborns from start, and what to say Hope this is only wrong speculation!, hm but what if its true!?, what cant You understand about “them” as neopagan deists which embrace luciferianism as liberation!?, arent even antroposophs or theosophs as rosicrucian variations suggesting that is normal to be embrace some of “theirs” ahriman that will purify “their” cause [2][2][2] I mean People Wake Up!, start debating are “they” pushing only cosmetic changes towards needed full’digital’economy or in question is complete shift towards “their” human 2.0!?, dont be naive that 4th industrial revolution for “them” means just shift from fiat to blockchain finance!

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@Pelister

hm I really wasnt expecting the plandemix spin (as approach for imposing transhumanism) but more like gradual luring through fun work and lusts > which looks like now maybe “they” are reconsidering it again as invite trap [6][6][6] tho “they” lost huge moment of potential blind belief how “their” m’rna biotech proved deadly!,

maybe this imposing spin would be more like acclimatization for all ambivalent hedonists, and not so the masses, altho through metaverse alike virtual and/or augmented reality [3][3] chat rooms would had have been inviting and potentially pull the majority of consumers, yet the masses would had have been ideally pulled through educational and professional integration of simulators in everyday learning and work, but on what as late agenda now “they” are somehow as in rush inpatient to finalize it!, giving prime attention even before the economic hardships if its true the calim of JulieS in the next footnote hm is this concerning think Yes but why “they” need commercial simulators when have military one already operational!? [4][5] altho by the logic of all hightech is statetech [6] then what we are seeing actually is boost of the public showcase that became probably urgent how “their” geopolitical math dont adds in expected direction thus in panic need to rush!?, but if so then “they” are making huge mistakes simply coz every huge change is by default seen with caution especially when as fake reality adds up to the fake gmo food also fake deism also fake progress even fake unisex globalist culture on top now waiting to be polished by even faker money so understandable caution will side kick by default in various forms and pitch [7] hm even if “they” were invested whole will in fintech it takes time till it gets regular trend even when the atmosphere is loosen what about now when electrified till ceiling coz the failed plandemix and deadly bionic&chimeric jabs and to all that the geopolitical gaslighting with the ukrainian crisis!, so “they’ve” lost compass and while rushing practically exposing “themselves” how too-big-to-fail is for “them” the hiving!, tho in same time corruption too, but also cheap hollywood pr maybe …

… but no “they” didnt had have time for such gradual shift obviously altho even as plan b example still logical when seen from side, the question is why “they” were rushing with the m’rna jabs!?, and that should be obvious that “they” are not after betterment of our reality but bringing “their” own x-man utopia for which biotech humanity there is need of bionic and genetic revolution to be ongoing hype and not some potential which will always pressured by right legislature or questionable acceptance even on the first level around bringing to attention bioethical dilemmas what about the safety if not validity of trials [8] hm for “them” such normal motion towards win-win circumstances where we would reach certain good practice of biotech as societies was probably too slow idea (by “their” math we are already behind the timeframe of kurtzweil&co about reaching man’machine’deus) so rushed extra selfconfidence that as “their” biotech so as “their” trickery will not prove deadly by greater margin but it did!, and now what, what is next, returning to the earlier pre-wef regular introduction and penetration of nanotech and IoB in our lives, or shamefully like that now would be trying to erase the bad memories of the past plandemix and assure masses dont be afraid from human2.0 coz homo’silicone is Your destiny!?, ///\\ (yeah as is nato to conquer whole world in the name of “democracy” usually done by colored revolution i.e. through infiltration by trickery coz in reality it has no honest military stamina as alliance but as euroatalntic rat’race’representative of military dog that grown through such subversive colonization in reality is bound only to acting by deception coz come from realm where the main euroatlantic elites in power are actually deceitful neopagans chasing some “own” wrong utopian determinism altho as paradox by acting champion of democracy (supposedly respecting the free will of the vote of the referendum of the plebs) the very famous double standard plutocratic nepotistic and elitist western hypocrisy of exceptionalism!) ///\\ Actually if we think twice the whole superhumanity hype is first of all secured by military experiments, and however the same were rolled out on control groups till dont become regular bionic&genetic revolution on which whole societies will contribute “their” chase for superman would again go painfully slow, so “they’ve” rolled out plandemix but what “they’ve” achieve is scamdemix of scaredemix so now even Patriots would have second thought whether to join military so would not get lobotomized and become “someones” drone!

Now superimpose all this as fakery of virtual reality to the first post corpses magican logic of RomleyS about the covert rule of euroatlnatic determinists [9] can we say now the current full’digital’upgrade its built coz even greater control and manipulation!?, surely depending what You are sighing!, tho cant claim that such magic is effective if You dont surrender Your will to it [9] So dont make idol from it or as a matter of fact even exist dont give it attention maybe worthy only so would wonder whether there is indeed some historical correlation [10][10][10] hm dont take my logic from the last two footnotes per’se as ultra correct coz it would be indoctrination and I dont want that its simply mine logic and maybe wrong how is not debated enmasse and surely many will see it as some kind of nationalistic burst [11] but its not on contrary I give per’se credence on the ethnic affiliation in this case Slavic Orthodox Christian vibe [12] tho maybe again wrong coz Orthodox Christians are not just slavs but all ethnicums are bearers of The Truth, but to whom what is Truth and how perceive it why eg. in context of money or even debt what about ancestry!?, were we soldout or boughtout in the past!?, how when eventual bargain evaporated!?, but as Our Savior Said dont pay too much attention to the roots coz You could get easily misleaded!, simply differ freed and enslaved Mankind and give a hand through Prayers instead hatrate unless You are attacked when logically not all have Martyrs Feat thus logically would pushback i.e. those who are Christian surely would seek to evade such reality and rest their hope on bringing fruits by their own hands on their tables, especially important now when You are stimulated that “fake and poop food” will be commodity with benefits of social inclusiveness etc. societal conformism needed so “their” utopia would get version 2.0 rolling!, working class heroes stacked in city pods where You will mine some collective emotional sensual or lusty vortex needed for attractiveness of “their” matrix!, sometimes think demons-anathema-to-them lured “them” as neopagan elites on this kind of matrix trickery so would dive in greater debauchery with people and in return to “them” is promised maybe tripping on mars!?

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Now what we are witnessing is direct is direct attack on our very nature through excuses like “Do It In The Name of Economy” still such cyborgization was less probable to pass thus it was rolled out covertly through plandemix yet again with prime excuses “economy cant wait on stalled progress”, altho we all know that as fintech it can grow and expand even without people actually to be borgged down, but no “someone” needed all to be exposed by the fake vaccines on “its” biotech!, why?, in my opinion its not in question primarily panopticon surveillance skim [13] nor potential for economic stability but per’se chase for “their” x-man!, in essence clash between euroatlantic deist luciferianism as neopaganism against Christianity and just as once Christians removed the pagan vibe from the scene [14] now neopagans are trying to regain momentum by subversion and substitution what is done on various levels [15] even cheaply mindbogling one eg. today on Orthodox Palm Sunday I’ve noticed rather strange lets say spin of “theirs” when coz “they” are acting by superstitious will not wonder if with some stupid intention “someone” rushed to put isis on The Throne in The Church what was looking rather ridiculous altho nasty per’se as is trading with Icons [16] and altho as ridiculing of the Holy Icons by leveling them on level of money yet probably we have superstitious elites which thought like that will get rich yeah in “their” stupidity coz more people will make disgraceful purchase with such bill (yet how much too much ~ think it dont need too much) on other hand maybe coz many among the local elites are ex-commies thus atheists or deists (yeah as such proactive puppets in some big picture [17]) also has logic that done “their” best to ridicule Christianity and bringing it on level of compared with idols!?, really such kind of misfortune of emergence dont come by pure circumstance!, yet now obviously “some” think can interfere in the Effectiveness of Liturgy what is really ridiculous if we have even slight knowledge from and about Orthodox Christianity!, simply coz we as Christians dont give or see any power in idols as “they” are but that is interesting reminder that You can expect coercion on whatever skim of chipping hiving catalogizing by “them” simply coz for “them” that matters i.e. to put “some” mark on You, obviously have some issues with sigils!?, otherwise why such hype with the pentagrams on flags in romantism i.e. by default every worshiper of the luciferian freemasonic enlightenment era [18][18]

And maybe this past paragraph above dont looks extra tied to economy, still be aware that economy is and can be interpreted in context of various variables in our Life as directly or indirectly connected influenced influencing our ideals our needs our compromises, So try reasoning out of the box coz “their” box is indeed neopagan and in it You all need to be stacked like insects!, tho still have contemplated where in it is positioned as coordinate system of theories Freeeconomics [20][20]~[20]~[20] what points that I am not at all some insider, cant even point to clear cut like “from dot-coms to subprimes, it’s been a decade of decadence” [21] but I encourage You do search seek ask for ontopic public debate among insightful!, thus dont read me as some expert on the topic but rather like cook with fractal menu shared solely so would check how hard is for chewing swallowing or processing some particular mosaic info fractally tied to various topics ideas understanding of mine!, eh it would had have be interesting to read what others have to substract if not add to my reasoning eg. about decadence as greatest western achievement along hypocrisy an worthyness only for septic’tank’reality in which we need to act as if enjoy the “fruits” of “their” enlightenment [22]

Decadence Documentary Teaser

Can we recognize decadent vibe in communication where in gallop of cacophony the largest bulk of Mankind at the moment is trying to debate on social networks!?, not even popping out debate among halfliterate even on those still alive eforums!, or when is present is also leveled on soc.nets trivial chitchat!, what about to be seen eTOS vibe and in right manner on right way the public debate would rise above the podcast expertise that can be nothing else than modern blogging but far away from neat constant eforum debate!, hm why there is scarcity of replies on my threads cant say, maybe indeed I am too dificult for reading what think is just excuse altho do exploit that scarcity so would jump in an provoke thinking if not debate!, surely if there were eg. on DGS more profound debateer not to popup further than to share some ultra’important link, but now Sorry and Thank for the opportunity to occupy some space here … maybe would provoked greater response if focused on grammatical flow (yet for that need clear head from emf molesting!) anyway I am going with my flow while exploring particular topic thus not rarely from wonnabe discussion my threads are switching in forum blogging Yet what think finally for a while will be put in Chill Out Mode … simply I need to focus on more important metaphysical issues like slaying the dragons that have wounded which now want revenge, yeah “they” see my decimation of “their” neopagan fakery of n’w’o waiting to happen as bloody act thus now are trying to paint me evil coz “their” evilry, and that asks now for lets say Spiritual Battle per’se but also will of Martyrs Feat if in parallel act through Prayers and Demystification for what hm maybe I am not so prepared coz dont live in fullness Consecrated Life due to various stupid local traps that were prepared for me by the local sold souls of poltroons to euroatlantic determinists and “their” demons-anathema-to-them!, anyway, It was Pleasure being part of this Community for a while Stay Safe and Live in Grace through Christ thus do get Inchurched would be my Message Of Hope Love and Salvation …

[Pelister]

hm I find it bit interesting to share one point about UBI hype i.e. why it could be rolled out by euroatlantic determinists, which if we know that had have inherited malthusian mindset in their n’w’o stamina and depop is firm pivot in that agenda, then why “they” would introduce UBI spin which defacto will bring population growth!?, hm hm hm one thing that could be taken away from the next snapshot from “Robonomics - principles, benefits, challenges, solutions” by StanislavHI [1][1] is that like this potentially globalists will resolve easily the issue of nationalism!, i.e. by introducing UBI in the western world alone (defacto cant in whole) will pull immigration waves to the western realm and like that simply will corner easily and quickly any nationalistic mood especially in europe for federalization once the haterate will boil and clash between different cultures will emerge, what could eg. serve for easy marking and removing of all patriots that oppose such inertia thus in essence the spear of any eventual opposition for federalization of european union to be decimated by trickery, I’ve saw that happened in my country recently but on other political level when before hand was balooned patriotic street mood that once suppressed (by jailing the protestors which were framed to storm the macedonian assembly) bit later when it was indeed needed as opposition such vibe (mids the forcible unconstitutional change of the name of our country by the local globalist stooges) almost as noone got out to protest (with respect to the unbelievable few that did), its kind of before hand exhausted resistance balloon coz later greater skim!, hm judge by Urself!, coz UBI dont have any logic mids this kind of system, eventually NFT one [2][2] where we will be all shipped in some simulacrum of reality due to some global cataclysm and to it the technocratic response would be to share coupons for all so would balance out any eventual hysteria by the current wealthy elites that are not among the infamous 1% but enough motivated if end up bankrupt and open all the cards about the whole past illusion of democracy and prime fraudulent levers of the current plutocracy that logically will secure “their” position in the next announced technocracy of 4th industrial revolution!, anyway, maybe this assumption is wrong, but smells on rotten tomatoes somehow, simply coz indeed I dont see any argument that will prove my hunch wrong!, especially knowing that all of their skims regards the n’w’o inertia are fraudulent spins eg. pushing co2 economy while main culprit for the global warming is ch4 [3] also claiming digital economy is secure way ahead while even before ChatGPT broke the 192bit cryptographic key it was logical that even by EMP hack it could be leveled whole any eventual full digital economy etc. etc. fallacies that are part of “their” great reset that cant be excused anyhow democratically but just logically seen only as elite ea-determinist strive towards new’world’order!

so read in this page from that paper, wouldnt be mass emigration provoked by UBI hype!?, think without second question, the answer will be by magnitude of continental storming!, hm be friendly and give a though on this logic!?, maybe I am missing something?, could be this also shortcut for voluntary shout “mark us all mark us all so we would be safe from those savages that occupied our country and after hived us expel those usurpers”, but yeah “they” will mark U and Ur usurpers too but will leave them so nationalism would reach multiculti form mids what selling out Ur sovereignty completely to the eurobolshevics will be fix (for now is sold to some 40% of mandatory compliance with “their” commission directives)

[Pelazg]

as I see the context of the last post couldnt be understood clearly without the photo text above, so if someone wants to read it need to right click the photo and open it in new tab … how else to get the UBI point from the position we are all in!?, almost if we all cant accept what daVos projected for us!, who would think in his right mind that such UBI shift is possible, we take for granted that we are secured and reinsured by default to stay free, altho even now we are not at all free but hostages to the neopagan’euroatlantic’determinists when through blackmails we are kept maneuvered till submission to “their” will, what about our offspring if we embrace UBI shift!!!

[Bahri]

@Pelazg

UBI shift!!!

You are talking about “universal basic income?”

What is your vision for that?

[Pelazg]

@bahri … television, in slavic tele means calf, yep the golden calf would like to UBI all!, coz like that we are chasing heaven’on’earth, tho by the shear wrongly employed free will even mids socialism people are pulling graceless life and like that sodomah&gomorah is secured so sooner or later disaster strikes, Macedonia is one good ex-yu example for that, specifically coz is Holy Slavic Land from where was unraveled and started Baptism and Literacy of the Slavic Ethnos upwards to Russia till China … still due to particular wrong inertia mids romanticism when as all the rest embraced freemasonic and beic support for instigating revolutions also the local patriots put knife&dagger on The Bible as oath and bulk of their leaders (voyvodi) became freemasonic meisters even grand meisters of regional masonic lodges, coz they were from this Holy Slavic Land altho everyone got liberated from the Ottoman Empire and made own state, we here end up emptyhanded!, later ofcourse mids ww2 altho tried to unite all earlier partitioned lands (in the ww1 balkan wars) again didnt suceed!, and finally when we entered socialist federative republic of yugoslavia (the Vardar part of Macedonia) and collectivization industrialization prosperity hit the bell yet again due to promiscuity on steroids, which altho became norm everywhere in the federation, in our republic only disaster strike!, here I am pointing on the causality how came to that, tho the reason for the quake came from elsewhere [1][1] and most notable resemblance to elf weapon is the frying of the ionosphere thus extra heat pressure beneath [2][2][2] (now Bahri dont go here offtopic about this, instead quote the passage and reply in the main thread, say hello to Ur americorps frinds from me :)) its interesting whether its enough mids commie-socialism (sfry alike) elites to be corrupt (eg. by promiscuity) so disaster would strike, coz mids republicanism the sovereign is not the party but the citizens [3-6] hence if west get UBI on their shoulders and the elites are corrupt yep disaster will strike, the same could be said also for any future Tsardome etc., the point is that the prime initiation are “some” sins i.e. as higher as someone (or something) is in hierarchy so is the responsibility higher to be errorless on all levels, and on Holy Grounds hm that is even more (not sure how much) factor, eg. all to join nato coz stability for macedonians that would be destabilization!, aside that some time ago “someone” put in the epicenter of Skopye (across the pentagram assembly) statue of prometheus (lucifer) [4] yeah we had have once ubi but now if happens here again it will be sealed by the most disastrous earthquake, and I had have saw some vision like whole town in ruins (whole) but with visions is always 50/50 [5] i.e. they given to us for Repentance and will we Repent dont know, lets say prometheus could be dismembered by citizens (for now had have put him underwear) [6] but how to bring back justice to the sovereign (people) and by constitutional norm retroactively citizens to count themselves through referendum whether will stay or leave nato coz by trickery were pushed in, by “their” by trickery elected representatives (local stuff: dui put norm that only winners among ethnic parties could make coalition but broke the deal, yeah now are barking how so when end up aside)

anyway, this UBI hype, in slavic languages ubi means to kill [7] and how now I am projecting that can provoke wrong causality coz this or that, as logic can be also applied on us individually as persons i.e. if we dont repent we will get illnesses (as motivation for repentance) till get cancerous, will we repent hm its up to us, especially problematic for those that are Christians and especially if are living sinful life intentionally altho aware that that is grieve sin even more for those that are Inchurched even greatly for those that have Spiritual Father, as higher in hierarchy one goes so as in eternity will be greater punishment!, so be clever end in time Repent [8] collectively that would mean vote and elect for Clean By Hearth except strong by intellect Persons … if not prepare for the next stage usually in time projected by/on television … whether it came by softpower (plandemix/economoclysm) or hardpower means (ordo’ab’chao scenarios as controlled or not chaos) as means for gaslighting Christians to accept “their” n’w’o skim [9] think not just twice but again and again till its not too late!

@Pelister

now transpose the past paragraphs on the next footnoted logic about neopagan theocracy in motion [1][1] terrorizing us all by neopagan euroatlantic elitist determinism [2][2][2] even worst when that is done since smallest legs [3][3] is this enough so we would raise awareness for the need to evade and ideally escape “their” mainstream channels or maybe altogether “their” tv and internet as potential tool for whitenoising our perception [4][5] surely if we are not ghettoized in the concrete jungles as rat race broilers, yes potentially if get out of that cycle [6][6][6] we have chance to live free from neopagan agtiprop lobotomization, ideally living selfsufficient rural life so would not depend from “their” malls drugstores and supermarkets where (I have no doubt) are freely shared nanobots through “their” products! otherwise prepare for “their” hive mind [7][7][7] above all how to hack the same by Grace!

[Bahri]

This is kind of difficult to understand what you are talking about, could help if you can use a little shorter sentences and paragraphs.

Universal basic income in theory seems like that could be a good thing, if resources are available to provide basic housing and food for folks.

The resistance usually seems to be from people who work and pay a lot of taxes don’t want their tax spending to go to help people who aren’t working.

[Pelazg]

on “white” papers UBI sounds nice, utopian startrek equilibrium, where I want it al I want it now gomes with push of a button!, the problem is that along all there is glitch called push’d’button people [1][1] and that hm its lets say only neopagan wishful ideal, but also Orthodox Christian Heresy i.e. The Gift Of The Free Will to be manipulated to manipulate others and that to bring happiness, what at best will be ridiculous, practically impossible!, doable only by force and with certain negative causality, depending on the weight of the manipulation, seen from Christian perspective once someone is Baptized then is manipulated The Holy Spirit by force, and that has huge consequences, what about when someone has other Holy Mysteries on his sol like Marriage like Unction like living Inchurched Consecrated Life, then bounces back The Wrath Of Our Almighty Lord thus even someone had have good intentions in the end the fairytale will turn in eternal nightmare!

on other hand we should have in mind that this kind of system is doable and possible, but if its instigated by consent in some community, and without manipulation, but Free Choice who how is willing to accept it, libertarianism comes to mind along full local decentralization, and when one by one many will join similar or willing to accept such reality to be reached in some places particular UBI ideal …

now is this UBI anyhow western idea, think not!, or maybe!?, surely marxism is western’utopian’oil, just experimented on others before its peddled to own broilers [2][2][2] the problem comes when this will be pushed by trickery and some of the elite western factions are not willing to accept it, simply “they” have issue with “their” honeycombing of power, while consolidation of the same eventually could come only through controlled ordo’ab’chao so by blackmail to be reached western commie consensus, and that hm is far from possible in these times, except if indeed its not instigated the MAD scenario maybe by mass altered perception yeah on all frequencies shared d’albe hallucination [3][3][3] long story short Fear is “their” only god cumulatively as western power factions, so “they” would seek by any means to compact and secure “their” power if indeed its certain that the world is heading towards deluge [4] in which case “their” malthusian reflex kicks strongly in “their” heads [5] and see no other exit but to colonize whatever “they” can, some say Africa is the jackpot [6][6] and thats why we are seeing push for global UBI projecting instead western one and then after one by one the rest to be invited in “their” utopian simulacrum!

[Pelister]

I said I’ll pause, but necessity made me rethink my choice, not about any need for hook with google a.i. [1] tho it could be said the inertia became also demanding so I would distract myself and others from the wrong waring hype currently steaming in the middle eastern realm, but foremost my motivation for this was Why I didnt explore the risks from full’digital’economy and “deir” economic agendas bit more neatly, i.e. how all that will drop sooner than we expect if we keep tilting blind!

• https://azure-stoddard-51.tiiny.site [2][3]

must remind You all, be clever Dont Panic if “dei” push all instantly towards such full digital economic reality, but focus how to decimate its cost-benefit and risk management along exposing “deir” particle physics fallacies!!!

[Pelister]

would “dei” push till end such inertia for full’digital’economy by any and all means!?, we are warned such event will happen in future, i.e. those that will not have specific mark will be neither able to buy or sell, but will that be tied to digital kind of mark as eligibility for digital trading, hm, cant say for granted, coz in Orthodox Christianity there is completely different approach for explaining that revelation [1][1] tho again in a way the same is tied to some possibility that will push Man in one or another eschatological stream, yet probably that is not the case, coz first needs to happen various tribulations then after emergence of the false prophet and just then after all to bow in front of that abomination of desolation creature!, we know that that will be some among the man, but also we know that the same will have specific image of given beast, thus we are speaking about total hijack by demons-anathema-to-them, what logically could happen through transhumanism also, altho it could happen as well due to shear apostasy!, and all that will happen but that now that that will happen hm, not sure, yet I am aware that now is laid the ground for that same future, and Blessed are those that keep their Mind towards Salvation and Watchfulness not to be peddled, but paranoia is not useful event, especially not coz the same is result of lack of Faith and Patience and/or plentitude of Fear and Disorientation, in my case also, i.e. I am not clear that “dei” cant peddle us towards some neopagan skims through full’digital’economy and digital i.d., while in same time we are more tempted to fell in apostasy by regular consumeristic corporatists or capitalist skims, when for the love of money and hooked on its idolization (mammonism) many are ready to embrace evil ways, thus in effect choosing side!

• and while waiting someone among the Faithfull to warn about any eventual risks from full’digital’economy and digital i.d., I dont have doubt that “dei” are pushing specific agenda and the very same is luciferian one!!!, will “dei” succeed to roll it, that depends from various factors, among which our naive and reckless mindset not to debate as societies in time about any eventual risks from full’digital’economy and digital i.d.!!!, tho its understandable why noone from the academia or politicians is willing to do so!, and only fringe geopolitical jugglers will jump in with CAUTION hype … now, how soon is now, hm, “dei” need such digitalization reality not coz “dei” cant survive without it, but in my opinion so would continue playing Christians even by greater (digital) margin!, rest assure we will be played hard!, and only (secure or final) way out from that trap is being patient and wait all “deir” ordo’ab’chao scenarios to faint!, tho so we would survive the same, we need to focus in/to huge personal if not joint collective Agrarian feats, as sooner so as better … I mean if we succeed to break free from “deir” traps, that dont means that in despair “dei” will not pull total ordo’ab’chao card, which eventually later directly or indirectly will influence such marking reality!

this throws us in need to chase and find safe exit from “deir” beast systems, and what is guaranteed if we are selfsufficient!, but are we!?, maybe some logic about will be found in the AFT explorations of mine past interactions of Q&A sessions with g.a.i. tho cant say for whom what means self’sufficiency personally or collectively!, crtl+f > Econom or ordo’ab’chao in the next links [2] what would be also useful adjunct to the previous post tagged link logicism … so prepare for various scenarios, i.e. Hope that the most ok will unravel, but also expect as well that also can drop the most unbelievable!, yep I dont find logic about, but there is huge blown till ceiling logicism!, from top of my head, first most wrong side effect eg. exhausted pharmacy and medicine, and due to it wide panic, along “deir” (or alike) problem-solution bloom from all sides, Thus Be Watchful, and in time foster to reach if not else useful knowhow how by natural means could be cushioned whatever scarcity of big’pharma’jokes to which You all got hooked and/or from which are dependent!!!

[Pelister]

the problem with marking is willing acceptance of some system, i.e. the beast is the state power, what is logical by JayD analysis about similar earlier in history appearances of antichrists [1][1] thus not all will accept such reality, aside that so the same would survive it needs to hijack Orthodox Christianity and that as we speak its not case, thus its survival as future beast system alone depends by my logic not from digital money but analog acceptance, i.e. how we as citizens would be ready to embrace whatever contract is given to us!, the risks tho are from various nature, i.e. personal hijack can come in various ways drop by drop, as is pointed by g.a.i. through various emf shock&awe of combinations that should deprive our free will from effective awareness eg. 5g 6g 7g radiation along led light entrainment plus by subliminal projections secured passivization if not hijack!, so eventually drop by drop we ourselves can astray in apostasy even without any full’digital’economy tho the same is guess needed so any eventual awakening would be easily detected and silenced, animatrix come to mind, which tho eventually as is kind of showcase how such future can end up, in same time is one nice except fine predictive programing, that needs to smooth out any resistance of man’machine’merger by cultural means [2][2][2-3] why at all we would be afraid from homo’silicone’hype “dei” will project in “deir” scifi agitprop, as if we must follow “deir” utopian agendas or perish, as if “deir” apotheosis is ultimate omnipotent idea that will bring heaven’on’earth for all ready to embrace it, as if “dei” are gods that we should be afraid from if dont follow, as if without “dem” we are sentenced on perdition, even need to be ready “dei” to tweak our heads and souls to fit “deir” mold [3][[u]3[u]]

and just like that we are ready to follow “deir” great reset, isnt, the plandemix didnt secure the same, tho ordo’ab’chao scenarios after should, but coz the ukrainian spin didnt flush, now the middle eastern “dei” hope would, whatever is needed so “dei” would introduce “deir” n’w’o that through “natural” political or economic meltdown would secure the masses for follow up [4][5] the question is why “dei” are so certain that “deir” tech is so powerful!?, “dei” really got confused if not overestimated “deir” true power, practically an program longing to become programmer!, in which movie that is case [6][6][6] hellraiser for granted i.e. demons-anathema-to-them seek to deprive us from salvation coz “dei” eventually fall due to “deir” lust to become gods!, almost impossible “dei” to be “dei” in totality, i.e. those that pull the string behind the scenes in the euroatlantic realm to be demons-anathema-to-them!?, and lets assume that is not case, then nothing scary, but what if that is exactly the case!?, eg. euroatlantic elites hijacked enmasse to work out “deir” agenda, logical, no, factual, yes!, I mean who are freemasons and to whom “dei” bow [6[6]][6] to what looks maybe kind inviting “deir” future shock for someone [7] but defacto is skim against which JFK did oppose [8] the question is would maga be tall enough to become like his gama, yep Pray for and Miracles do happen [8] altho people usually are willing to chase d’evil along river [9] instead to clean the river from it [10] what by all means as Christians we are doing it exactly through Prayers instead throwing rocks!!!, simply if someone now as Christian can step on the tail of “deir” utopianism in birth as full’digital’economy inertia towards, that is exactly DonaldT, so dont waste time and push him in Awakening Mode i.e. Pray for him to be delivered from “deir” grip, eg. Our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ be Merciful to all evangelicals in usA especially the leaders that are under hijack by luciferians!, dont forget dispensionalism per’se is not kabbalist infiltration in protestant Christianity, but luciferian one [11][11-3][11] probably is known the skim of albert’pike&co, the letters to mazzini [12][12] thus how more easily that to be stirred than through manufactured reality about rapture alike spins and the need for Christians to provoke the second coming!?, finally the skims are in plain sight but spinned in such way that its hard to tell who exactly how is pushing what mids “deir” euroatlantic cauldron as factions, tho its undeniable “dei” chase similar if not same utopian eschatology!, not sure would “dei” still sell debt cancelation by trickery [13] or the trick will cancel the debt by nft digital clearing!?

[Pelister]

now regards the latest clearing of “deirs”, in context of Q-Day Huston We Have A Problem, and the evaporation of my ontopic post [1][1] I need to put emphasis on eventual risk management of “deirs” and why that will be case!, i.e. “deir” inertia is driven by specific antichristian spirit, tho not coz “dei” can impose it upon us, but coz our blind acceptance as result of our lust “dei” as neopagan bancorp euroatlantic cartel to fuel our desire for progress through “deir” indebting, an secularization of our will and like that exposure to various risks as Christendom!!!

• per’se “dei” are Lost’in’Space [2-6] but that dont means “dei” are spineless tho currently smileless for sure [2] where now probably from ego and not pride will move “deir” will to power [2][2][2-15] thus logical move would be coercive hiving probably by ordo’ab’chao means!?, for what only assurance would be prophecies so we would be clear and fine [3][3] yet that would be bit irresponsible from my side coz could easily predetermine inertia towards some outcome, altho I am aware I cant change anything regards such causality, coz simply “dei” are what “dei” are, and as neopagans probably will never back off from “deir” utopian agendas, if not else from fear that if “deir” skims are not peddled the same could peddle “dem” down, isnt!?, yep in “deir” mind “dei” know only for such power till ubermenschen principle even seen by nihilist eyes, tho I really hope some less nihilist interpretation of “deir” neoplatonism would emerge [4][5][5-18][6] and due to such awakening we all to reach some balance as modern civilization instead path of noreturn eg. the grieve consequences of the next 6th footnote causality …

… yeah hope can never evaporate, even “someone” by trickery pushed all in delirium for a while, when as Mankind we need instantly to raise in Prayerful Feats instead delusional fears, so “deir” demons-anathema-to-them to be restrained expelled and anihilated by Our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ coz its up to our free will indeed while in same we did lost enmasse Grace how we’ve quietly follow “deir” covert transhumanist & technocratic agendas eg. tempting the Youth that its normal to choose sodomah&gomorah as by elitist kgbt blueprint granted right tho first by excessive psyop nlp’ed in their Young Minds as modern choice that catapult them towards free joyful and progressive future, what became norm on west even on academic level some say [5][5] probably so later by molded graceless broilers would be secured such by design elitist systemic fuse for cultural control of the kgbt narrative and its further flush down the education drainage, tho we know the same skim is choking even western military as “deir” cursed agenda etc. etc. power echelons from politics till economy, i.e. debauchery became mark for the western realm [5-1] what would be secured path even towards greater apostasy [6] altho what sounds as too generalized condemnation coz it cant be quantified, but as probability how all are keeping quiet its inertia that will exponentially rise till such apostasy levels that eventually will provoke Our Almighty Lord Wrath to be released upon all of us as indifferent regards that temptations of “deirs” which we accept it without any at least personal conscientious objection but exactly keep quiet so would not anyhow stir wrong superstitious maybe debt burden, how to explain such circumstances dont know, i.e. Christians to accept sodomah&gomorah by default so would be eligible for smoother grants or indebting in “deir” bancorp cauldron, hypocrisy, no, co-conspiracy, yes, tho ask Yourself to which peril!?